[laughter] >> it looks as though salman rushti came out just fine. he's still writing and all of that. but isn't there a kind of lingering effect of something like that? there's a kind of censorship that people kind of watch themselves, on whether they are going to publish him? is there a lingering effect that censorship has on an author? >> it certainly does. there's a cumulative effect of it. it's sort of a step by step process. there's a writer that i want to give a shout out to in england who spent a lot of time on this, and he used the wonderful phrase which i wish i could claim -- just for our readers. salman rushdie produced a book that was offensive to islam and there was a death sentence put on him. the british government had a lot of pressure to shut him down as did his publisher. his book was never fully censored. he survived. we've internalized it now in the sense we're much more concerned with, a lot of plays that weren't produced, art exhibits that weren't staged, concerts that weren't put on because of our fear that perhaps there will