the little car in the distance in the middle is his coffee saloon. and this red car is one of the first cottages rented by a bunch of lady bicyclists. you like the lady bicyclists, huh? lice cling was a raging fad in the 1890's. all of united states, newspapers, magazines were agast about it. they were just talking about it back and forth. was it healthy? was it unhealthy? are they taking over the roads, hazards to health and traffic? and most importantly everybody was very excited about the idea that women were bicycling. they were worried that women might perspire and that was an unhealthy and unfeminine thing. and a lot of women were wearing bloomers, these sort of blousey trousers to help them bicycle. that was thought to be scandalous. but the lady falcons, they didn't care. they were a group of seven married women who went bicycling. they would finish their ride, rest in the long seats there in the clubhouse. they started having dinner parties there. they became quite fashionable. and they sort of tricked it out with all the victorian fill debr

by a man with a gun in each hand who was drunk shooting holes into the saloon clock and intimidating people in the bar and forcing them to buy drinking. he called him four eyes and told him to buy a round of drinks. he tried to avoid the guy, took a table behind a stove not to be seen, but the fellow followed him and said, hey, buy a round of drinks. he stood up and said, well, if i've got to, i got to. he was a trained boxer. he felt he needed to punch the lights out of the guy, the guns went off, and the fellow hit his head on the bar and knocked himselfcepsless. roosevelt took the guns and the patrons who were probably happier now took the fellow and dumped him in a shed behind the saloon, and the next day, the fellow jumped a freight and fled town. this story filled the area and oh, maybe he's a cool guy even though he has glasses and a weird suit. that started to help his reputation a lot. i found interviews with folks who knew him back then who were out west and said that was the stepping off point for him in the westings but he proves himself in other ways working side by side

of people who might be behaving in certain ways gets into slippery territory. >> the owner of the saloon and grill didn't want to talk on camera but managers will meet with concerned groups to change the sign. while the old wagon was singled out in the suit we should mention other bars in downtown san jose have posted similar signs in the past. >> a strange day on wall street yesterday, nicole lap in live at cnbc with a look ahead to today. good morning, nicole. >> good morning to you, scott. strange is a nice euphemism. i'd go with crazy. pretty nuts session. futures are lower, after the dow had been down as much as 164 points on disappointing news. worries about about europeans' debt crisis and the downgrade to the kret credit rating. markets recovered toward the end closing higher snapping that eight-day losing streak. asia was mixed. europe is lower. we get another read on the jobs market in about a half hour with new unemployment filing numbers so we'll pick through those closely. on the earnings, gm reporting before the open so we'll watch that. to recap, the dow closed up 29 point

it doesn't mean anything because it was camouflage night at the full moon saloon. we felt compelled to tidy up. and reaging toilet. you force him to shower. we stashed it in the closet. he grabbed a razor and headed for the stall. you better be faithful about it. it's down right inhospitable. he was dressed in a while, v-neck tee shirt. nothing. just wondering about the dress code. where your dress pants. you look hot in those. did you see my ring? i swear you would lose your head if it wasn't attached. this was my mother. i wondered if her death would release me or if i was doomed to norman bates territory. he will be here in five minutes. half an hour later, after i squeezed. we were awkward as wall flowers. the lamp was already blazing with intensity. my growing hard on >> he seemed amenable. he got cold feet? may be he lost interest. ben shrugged. who knows. i would be with us in the second. i am serious. don't you feel abandoned. it's a three way honey, i don't think two people can feel abandoned. he might be late. i looked at the clock again. 25 minutes. only

and so a lot of the joints and saloons, a lot of the prostitution was actually occurring in this neighborhood. so that is what contributed to this reputation that this neighborhood had. interestingly enough, historians got a hold of that. one of the earliest historical references to the never read is an the 1930's, 1940's. historians started to refer to it as the cd underbelly of frankfurt. so once historians get ahold of it that version of the neighborhood really became entrenched in public memory. and so despite the fact that the neighborhood really in the 1930's, '40's, 50's became just the poor close-knit neighborhood, it was known as this part of town. >> what was the demographic? >> it was known as the black part of town, but that percentage was really, the majority was very slight. oftentimes it was very much irish. it was very much sort of immigrant. all of them were poor. a very working-class neighborhood. police officers. folks who worked in the hand factory, the local distillers and the shoe factory who all live in this neighborhood. very much a working-class neighborhood. interest

a statue of jack daniels outside the saloon and grill has a sign hanging from. the sign says no tattoos, no shiny shirts, no large neck chains and several other restrictions. the naacp and the latino leadership alliance says they are discriminatory against latinos and blacks. at least one constitutional law professor says posting the signs might also be illegal. >> trying to use proxies for the kind of people who might be behaving in certain ways gets into slippery territory. >> the owner of the old wagon saloon and grill didn't want to talk on camera but managers say they will meet with the concerned groups to change the verbiage. the old wagon was single out we should mention others have posted similar signs in the past. >> when you get cash from the bank you expect it to be real. but it turns out bay area tellers are handing out tens of thousands in fake bills every week. kathy says she had no idea three of the $100 bills she withdrew from her chase bank were fake. she only found out when she paid a cab driver while traveling in new york. that's when she foun

talking about the old wagon saloon behind me. it has a western theme, but critics say it might have a wild west approach, as to who can eat and drink here. they roll out a statue of jack daniels every morning to greet customers, but it's what's hanging on jack's neck that's enraged two powerful south bay community groups. >> shocked, dismayed, disappointed and saddened all in one. >> they essentially ought to put a sign that says no mexicans allowed. >> reporter: the silicon naacp referring to the dress code at the old wagon saloon and grill. the sign says, no sideways hats new york large necklaces, grills, chains, no baggy pants and. >>> shiny shirts. >> if it's a joke, it's not funny. if they're trying to accomplish a goal, they've went too far. >> reporter: the president of the naacp expressed his outrage this morning to the general manager. >> as i explained to the gentleman, that message says you do not want african-americans of a certain age. >> reporter: the manager tells us the owner would not let him speak to us on camer

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probably much happier now than they were before it took the fellow and dumped him in a shed behind the saloon and the next day the fellow job and had to town. this story immediately spread all over the area and people become thinking, he may be a pretty cool guy after all even though he were classes and has the roots do. so that started to help his reputation alive. i found interviews with folks who would back and who are out west and said that was the stepping off point for him in the west. but he also proved himself an tamer race. he worked side-by-side with cowboys and ranchers and worked very hard. this is an area where you don't build your reputation and your family name for social connection or wealth. it was based on how you performed as an individual. roosevelt performed very well. on his first round up, the cowboys really began to have a good impression of him. on the first round up about 60 cowboys went five weeks writing for 200 miles down the missouri river valley, scooping up other cattle they could find for 50 miles on each side of the river. it was several thousand cattle of co

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i can claim to be a bit stronger today still the fed index has been very nasty very old remember saloon index in the about two years and because of that we've seen you know i could you still will we see new records of those in ten year treasuries and buddhism guild's and gold reaching new highs as well where the this is something that a repeat of last week i must have squeaky thing last week we were still in you know post u.s. downgrade mentality we're looking at these to be intervention in spanish and italian paper this week the focus has shifted a bit more towards economics which we had saw three european data. and german jew people slightly below her expectations and then the u.s. leader today as we said. stocks tumbling around the world u.s. starts deep in the red on worries about europe and the global economy market sentiment continues to deteriorate amid concerns about the eurozone banking sector bank of america is the biggest bowler losing six percent this hour and u.s. economic reports are not much of a help of a number of americans filing new claims for jobless benefits rose la

thanks and a saloon welcome to business as well as channel reported earlier moscow's international air show ass kicked off the organizers expect more than ten billion dollars worth of contracts to be signed over the next few days and the first deals are already there as russian airline trans there are signs up to buy eight jets with a catalog price of over seven hundred million dollars christopher buckley vice president of us outlines his hopes for the russian market. we're very optimistic and enthusiastic about the russian market we still see growth continuing a little bit over five percent to five point three percent per year which is higher than the world have fridge so for us that means that. many more aircraft in the coming years. if we can we'd probably like to win. with between forty and fifty percent of that overall market and even this year in two thousand and eleven we have new operators we're very proud with express. and we sold a three twenty used to trans aero if we can continue with the current rate and say all sales here by five to ten percent a year we'd be delighted wi

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lucy strong musingly made sure to recognize any troubles except one of mourning with the saloon party has got hold of a previously unseen one to ninety five interview with rocco modish the x. mas mean sir commander now faces charges of genocide happen hague he gave his interview over what happened his view i should say of what happened in summer need saw during the bosnian war full interview is available at our team to. nearly a billion people in the world are going hungry every day. in the united states even our trash cans are full of the food you just have to go get all of these perfectly good eggs because one was cracked didn't even get all over the other ones just threw them all away rotten cheese from the german oh you clearly like. a profile. in the dumpster at one am this morning three pm this afternoon on the grill take is made from one dozen times egg whites. delicious breakfast for the family a some toast for about a week every year in america we throw away ninety six billion pounds of food. there conduce child was a shadow of god this contradiction. they still feel the fear

frankly saloon welcome to business r.t. emerging markets are plunging to the lowest levels in months cocktail of u.s. credit downgrade and the eurozone debt crisis that's prompting a broad selloff on financial markets russian equities are among the worst performers and are still in a freefall this hour so our first reports from the headquarters of the r.t.l. stock exchange. well it seems to just keep getting worse here second day of losses day fallujah disastrous day of trading yesterday russian markets continuing to nased here we're seeing much the same story across the european markets as investors the dumping their risk is looking for a safer place to put that money you know what was think it's a killing affecting russia is the own great situation in the u.s. and throughout the year you say has continued to weigh down on the oil prices that's really having quite an impact on the oil and energy mage's here in the country and now we see the markets reacting to the standard imposed decision for the weekend to downgrade the

thanks in the saloon welcome to business tsotsi russian equities deeply in the red at the end of the trading day following losses in asia and europe market watchers say it's choppy a volatile after friday's american downgraded e.c.b. into. mention door to me now is not the you cannot be sales manager of producer financial corp so a lot of good to see you right now yes is down five percent my six three and a half percent how would you describe the situation. well the situation is clearing nothing short of a panic we have seen a somewhat panicky mood in the market last week and luckily we had forty eight hours to digest the s. and p. downgrade over the weekend we've seen quite volatile session this morning expectedly the market opened quite sharply down then recuperated parts part of the losses and clearly closing still lower and especially this is a bull cross the blue chip universe which is the easiest to get rid of and what we observe we have what we observe at the moment of the climb to seventy is we see hedge funds trying to get rid of the blue chip makers and the police situation

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brick walls of the government will mend breaches in the social system blame finn's to gays in the saloon to. israel approves the building of one thousand six hundred settlements in the occupied palestinian territories and leave carcasses weeks before palestinian authorities are expected to all of the united nations the recognition of their states. as experts predict the further decline of the us economy average americans fears the size of a similar fate the rising concerns are forcing someone to take radical measures to survive a few to four hours. and they're not easy column saddles in northern costs about off the recent ethnic clashes of the cost of a serbia put into political so to say they live in a constant climate according to mitigation on the grounds. page you can see a valuable bit in sports good to see a seven and a half million dollars on the line i think it's safe to say that we can expect a tight we cannot agree. big money is the p.g.a. championship there's a lot expected a lot of major winners for it for this the last major of the golfing year we're going to have a look at

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take at peril and shine up everything and make it really fancy said that when you walked into the saloon and saw six or 8 barrels across the back, his would stand out. the fancy barrell brand name and the shiny brass hoops. he was really realizing how important the packaging was. so when you came in with your judge in wanted to buy a pint or quart of whiskey or whenever, you know, you would look up and say to my want that one. kentucky is very fortunate in that they had a lot of people that knew how to make it was the. and it also has a very nice geographical balance. the limestone water, which is iron free and very bad for making whiskey. you take a nail and drop it into a glass of bourbon and come back. the burden will be back with, and tastes nasty. so the iron-free water in kentucky. plus you have a very nice balance of hot summers and cold winters, which allows the was key to work into the barrel and bring out those nice flavors and such. so kentucky just had that nice, proper balance. people who knew how to take advantage of all of this and make good whiskey built a reputation. >>

the first danger comes from the saloon actually polluting the cool water with a lethal dyads just the second call from energy companies who seem to be ready to hound the eco system long lake for the sake of producing several more killed just last year plus a special program to protect the lake but what has been done and as it is now is the chair of the board of trustees out lake baikal protection found sleeping. the world's deepest leak can still boost water regional security but it may come to an end at any moment the cellulose factory spitting out waste water full of deadly chemicals straight into the lake undermining its unique ecology the russian government has set a goal to help play by call become clearly get but mani sure. here's where private investments to help one of russia's richest man cares about by call he's ready to pump in cash a development and the environment. this is live in chicago thank you for being with us today we're going to discuss a very important matter which relates not only to russians but the entire world as well. led by call is something every person on

were the saloon issuing signs or. if you were booing minorities you know as the sects in syria but who all. those issues forces lose who are you and openly how has after we've talked to you get a few good to give because we will do will strive to feature a lot of words. that is yet to get through an even religious conflict as long as everybody is united because that we are successful but when you see him we may see some tension. and i talked to. a professor at the university in one thinks the revolution in syria is a fuel from the outside and aimed at night in a civil war. i think that the nato alliance using some regional tools like third and the gulf cooperation council are working very hard to instigate instability in syria and this sort of instability will take bents specifically they are working on agitating a civil war within syria and they want to call that everybody loose and they can have they want to but the purpose of such a war is to bring syria down to its knees to destroy syria like they did with iraq an

sales making claims being a bit stronger today still effed index has been very nasty very ugly number saloon index in about two years and because of that we seem you know could you stumble we see new records of those in ten year treasuries and booms and phillips and gold reaching new highs as well whether this is something that's a repeat of last week i'm afraid of sticker thing last week we're still in posts u.s. . mentality we're looking at these to be intervention in spanish and italian paper resists we could focus shifted a bit more towards economics would we have softer european data. in germany to people so i think a little darker expectations are going to the u.s. later today as we said. on wall street deep in the red in volatile trading the u.s. economic data is pressuring the markets in a broad selloff sector is associated with growth were hit hard drugs of the dollar shares of i.b.m. down over five and a half percent and united technologies down five point seven percent here in russia markets closed deeply in the red as well training otherwise it has been holding for more than an h

the house and so on one more husband to live side by side with him for more than nine news on the saloons there with that my daughter told me he threw a stray cat on the roof and said he did the same to her and she'd have a confided in me about the things he was doing to her than he is now so. when napoleon finally managed to get things to the court the jury acquitted the man and she says is now after her family hungry for a bench experience is just one example of the many in a recent controversial case a man suspected of raping a seven year old girl was released without charge. yes i called her underwear and she started crying i squeezed her neck and pressed her into the ground it only took a couple of minutes then i told her to go home and tell no one. only after an enraged crowd only a lynched the men police launched a full fledged investigation into the case and we would have compassion authorities also disciplined the original investigating officer will some of us of this proposal that happen here is the mother was afraid it would before she was kicked around for modest office and a

saloons that does my daughter told me over a stray cat on the roof and certainly do the same gender should have a confided in me about the things she was rooms or their news michael said. pointedly plans to get things to the court the jury acquitted the man who she says is now off to her family hungry for a bench experience is just one example of many in a recent controversial case a man suspected of raping a seven year old girl was released without charge. yes i called her underwear and she started crying i squeezed her neck and crestor into the ground only took a couple of minutes then i told her to go home and tell no one. only after an enraged crowd nearly inched the men did police launch a fully fledged investigation into the case and record that confession authorities also disciplined the original investigating officer will some of us do this for us look at the words that happened here is the mother was treated like a why she was kicked around from our first officer because the tragedy had happened to her she didn't know what to do but no one wanted to be able to talk to her let alon

couple of logging facilities they would be paid and they would go crazy so a lot of the giants and saloons dam prostitution occurred in the neighborhood. fact but then historians got ahold of that with references to the neighborhood of the zero it was referred to as the underbelly. once they got ahold of the persian they were in tranche from public memory. despite the fact despite in the thirties or forties or fifties became a close knit neighborhood known as a wild part of town. >> what was the demographic? >> it was known as the black part of town but that percentage was very slight and often times but part of that demographic, all of them were poor but a working class neighborhood. police officers, those two were given the of the factory and all lived in the neighborhood. a working-class neighborhood but interestingly enough the most recent residence remember it as the integrated neighborhood but time after time people were talking of their situation then they were divided so that is the interesting perspective i did not expect receipt or o history introduced. it was but they were calli

has been very nice remember saloon index in the about two years and because of that we've seen you know i could stumble we've seen new records of those in ten year treasuries and booms and. gold reaching new highs as well whether this is something that a repeat of last week i'm afraid of squid thing last week we're still in you know post u.s. downgrade mentality we're looking at the e.c.b. intervention in spanish and italian paper this week the focus has shifted a bit more towards economics which we've had softer european data. and germans you people cite people over here speculations and in the u.s. later today as we said. wall street deep in the red in volatile trading the u.s. economic data is pressuring the markets in a broad selloff sectors associated with growth were hit hard drugs of the dow are shares of i.b.m. down over five and a half percent and united technologies down five point seven percent here in russia markets closed in the red as well training otherwise it has been halted for more than an hour due to technical problems deals came to a stop just after four o'clock last

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including a stop at a mexican restaurant and a saloon.emier on november 21. >> 6:51. increased safety measures planned at the maverick surfing site. san mateo county sheriffs want the allow voluntary control. they are meeting with federal officials to discuss this plan. right now privately run jet skis are prohibited but water craft run by a public agency are allowed. when the waters turn rough during winter. we are following a fire in san francisco's nailed. christie smith is live at the scene with an update. >> reporter: good morning to you, jon. i just spoke with a battalion chief. firefighters are wrapping up and the fire is out. neighbors in the cream building that you see this, called in this fire before 5 chock on masonic where they thought it was. turns out it was burning midway down hate street. they think it started in a clothing store. pr spread to two alarms. neighbors evacuated as the fire spread to the attic of not only the clothing store but the people's cafe which is next door. >> most of the damage in the cafe is in the a

many of which have been trashed by angry mobs and a woman lashed out the mayor saying her beauty salooninto in the day light by mob whose look the at them and shouted "you are frightened," and threw a brick through the window and went in and stormed the shop to destroy it. now, south of london was the worst hit and we saw huge fires which ravaged properties and businesses and you sudden look at pictures of a famous furniture store in the fell for five generations and it was torched. the looting has just been random and rampant with thieves relaxed if you have to grab the equipment used to remove security tags from merchandise, and bag up the goods themselves and wonder off. these people have attacked charity shops, they have attacked children's clothing stores, they have attacked individuals on the streets, and mostly we have seen in northern england but mostly it has been the suburbs of london but there have been instances of rioting and lotting even in the very heart of the capital and tonight, it could be a decisive night. so farthings have not been too bad, but it is the most up of