loan number two is salt lake city-based.. past-due payables is about 300 grand outside of this one. mindy: yes. lemonis: okay. credit card -- $105,000. mindy: yes. lemonis: related-party debt -- $563,000. i can't remember what that was. mindy: it's like rhonda. lemonis: so that totals $7.2 million. it's probably gonna have to get converted to equity or something. something's gonna have to change. because of the amount of debt, there's a tremendous amount of cash that's leaving the business because it has to service the interest expense on it. in order for this company to grow, you have to limit the amount of cash leaving the business. and the only way to really do that is to minimize the amount of debt it has. i'd like to go back to the current lenders that make up the debt and ask them to convert their debt into equity, essentially turning them into shareholders of the business. you turn in your note and you receive shares back in exchange. you're so buried in all that behind you that you can't see straight. jason: it's sic