which you get more pressure, in the saltwater or freshwater? - saltwater. - why saltwater? - more dense. - because it's more dense. see, saltwater is a little bit more dense than freshwater. gang, i wanna show you the fact that liquid depends only on depth and density with this little device here. these are called pascal's vases. what i'm gonna do is i'm gonna fill up a tank over here, a reservoir, and water is gonna flow from this reservoir into here. i'll raise this up, and i'll water come from here into here. okay, gang. this little marker reminds me how high that is and we have a reading that's about up to here. let me put a little red mark so we can where it is. it'll be something like that, yeah. okay. now, let's take this down. empty the vase and we'll put on a bigger vase and i'll show you something rather remarkable. okay? like this one. more volume, yeah? but i'm gonna fill it to the same depth, and guess what we're gonna be seeing, gang. okay? it turns out this gauge is measuring the pressure over the height over here. but when the two heights become equal, then

it was saltwater that was delivered to this area and there are electronics down there so that's going to be a major issue. they'll have to get it all out and test everything. they're going to bring the trains back online when they can. the good news some bus service was restored today. more tomorrow. they'll add buses. they're going to alter routes and try to get back out into the city once businesses re-open. again, that's just going to take some time and in some cases it's going to take much more than a week or so. >> the fact is they just don't know and this saltwater is so terribly damaging to any kind of equipment. jay gray live in battery park in lower manhattan, thanks for joining us tonight. let's go live now to ron allen with us tonight. he is coming to us from point pleasant beach, new jersey. ron, governor christie says there's no comparison for the damage that he has seen on the shoreline. your impressions? do you agree? >> reporter: well, i've seen this close up and personal and there's just utter devastation as far as the eye can see. we're standing on what used to be a

the saltwater has risen almost to the surface beneath nearly a million acres. experiments like this canal to take the saline water to the sea have largely failed. turnquist: as we irrigate, we continually add a little salt to the soil. and i look at some of my neighbors' lands, and i can see the saltwater right at the surface. and i look at one parcel of my ranch, and the salt's getting closer and closer. and as the salt gets closer and closer, i see losing my ranch. keach: by the 18th century b.c., civilization had largely abandoned southern mesopotamia. evidence of salt damage here can be found in ancient texts. clay tablets like these describe a host of changes in the harvest due to salt in the fields. archaeologists continue to debate the causes of this collapse, but one fact is clear -- irrigation and salinization contributed to the decline of city after city. in this cradle of civilization, humans demonstrated they could destroy their environment as quickly as they could master it. but there are no deserts in mesoamerica. what can explain the maya collaps

seven days is what my take, yes, we do have saltwater. this is somewhat similar to tropical storm i mean. the crews need time to continue to assess the damage as soon as they can get themselves into a safe position out of harms way. >> okay, is it lower manhattan where did you see the hardest hit area? >> yes, a few blocks away in queens, quite a bit of force winds and flooding. lower manhattan is where there is a major concentration of infrastructures. >> are there any assets at all that will be moving tomorrow? any kind of buses? anything from mta that is on the move now? >> i wish i could give you some kind of certainty. we don't know for sure. i would say that if history is a guide, it is unlikely that we will have major restoration tomorrow. >> when will you now? >> we are working through the night to look at the damage. to assess the damage. as soon as we know, we will put it on every channel we have come to speaking with you guys, put it out of the press and twitter and everything like that. as soon as we know, customers will now.

and once you get, you know, saltwater and electronics don't mix.n it's not as easy as going down there and spraying it off. because, you know, once you get saltwater in there, it typically ruins electronics. i've seen automobiles that have been in river flooding that have come out, been able to dry out the electronics and the equipment and actually it works again. when the power windows work. but you get saltwater in there and typically that's the end of the vehicle. and if those kind of electronics which many of them are old exist down through here they're going to have to be replaced and you start adding time on the timetable. the majority of uptown and midtown, again, getting on back line -- back on line tomorrow and hopefully up to full operation by the time monday rolls around. that's a good thing. back to you. >> thanks so much, jim canner to there. and next, coming up, new york congressman steve israel, touring the damage in his district on long island. ♪ [ male announcer ] why do more emergency workers everywhere trust duracell...?? duraloc

because we had heard it from the mta chairman the other day, when he talked about the effects of saltwatern a 108-year-old subway system, how bad could it be? >> well, there's lots of components of our infrastructure that are very vulnerable to corrosion and saltwater, just the rails themselves, the third rail, which is the -- what we use to power the trains with the electricity and we have the signal system itself is electronic. all of -- any of those are very susceptible. not only that, lots of aboveground components besides this are vulnerable. simply trees being down over across tracks can prevent our subways from moving and our trains in suburban commuter rails from moving. so we're going to be assessing that, as well. >> and i had seen reports earlier that it could be a matter of hours to days before you could get the water out of those subway tunnels. how do you even go about that? >> well, we have -- we have trains that go in and pump the water from the tunnels. equipment, heavy equipment that can come in and pump the tunnels and that process by itself can take anywhere from 14 hou

but taking out the subways, getting saltwater into the subways and the tunnels, that's a huge threattan. the other threat is that the high-rise buildings -- people at the very highest levels may get winds 100, 110 miles per hour which could take some piece of metal off of this building down here and blow it in to your building. people in high rises need to close the drapes, stay in interior areas as long as the wind is really blowing and whipping around those high-rise buildings. >> brian norcross, thank you very much. we appreciate your perspective and time today. sue? >>> ty, what brian just said about the subways and the water that gets down there and the saltwater that could go along with it and corrode the wires, that's one of the considerations that the exchanges took under advisement in terms of whether or not they are going to open for trading. >> they had a major problem. if you haven't heard, the news is the exchanges will be closed tomorrow. all exchanges will be closed tomorrow as well. the effort is not going to go to opening on wednesday. wednesday's important because i

river are flooded, and the electricity that powers -- runs the system is turned off to contain the saltwatertting the trains up and running again will be a massive undertaking. >> it could be anywhere between 14 hours to four days just to pump the water out. and then we have to, you know, inspect every inch of rail, inspect all of the infrastructure down there to make sure that we can provide safe service. so, needless to say, this is going to be a pretty lengthy process. >> now, the head of the mta says this is the worst disaster in the 108-year history of the city system. the subways and buses are out of operation indefinitely. we did that interview. there really is no concrete time line for getting the system back up and running. and as the subway goes, so goes the city. that's a major, major system to deal with in the storm's aftermath. >> largest rapid transit system -- >> -- in the country. >> yep. >>> and more disruption to air travel today. flightaware.com, says 5,700 flights are canceled because of the hurricane. 7,800 didn't leave the gate yesterday. >>> and it may take a wile for

i'm doing my best with saltwater and everything else. >> let's take a rundown of what is closed. that's almost everything in our area. metro trains and buses as well as most public transit here and up and down the east coast closed. the federal government is closed as are most local governments. the same

saltwater. they flooded. no public transportation for 8 plus million new yorkers. here is mayor bloomberg. >> public transportation remains closed until further notice is a good way to think about it. there is no firm timeline for the reactivation of bus or train service. but i'm sure the mta will do everything it can to have limited bus service perhaps this afternoon. >> the city is now saying it will try to roll buses at 5:00 this evening with business as usual tomorrow. no promises yet, though, on restoring subway service. there are few cabs around in the city. it is very difficult for people to get around. i actually biked up to this office today to get here in time. no promises either on the airports. kennedy airport, laguardia, they remain closed. mayor bloomberg spoke of flooded runways and possible damage to instrumentation. ashleigh banfield is south of my location, in the neighborhood called chelsea in downtown new york. how are things there now? >> you know, surprising just listening to you, anderson, as you were talking about your experience in new york

. >> and he said, that saltwater and subways don't mix. you said something important, and you it is a is unprecedented, because you were talking about people who would ride out the storm in big cities? >> well, we have 60 million people, and no place to tell them to go. i know there are some shelters burk in other hurricanes if you see it coming to a town or city, you go left or right. this thing is 1,000 miles north-south, and 1,000 miles ea east-west. you cannot drive 1,000 miles out of the storm, and as the governor christy said, you have to ride it out in your house. if your house is not strong enough, find one that is, and get to somewhere safe. >> can we get to the pictures of the subway? is that tough to see where people are evacuating, because in new york city, where it is always going, there you go. they are telling people to get out of the subways. this is an empty subway station, and there is a notice there. 7:00 p.m., no more subway service, and it is suspended. >> i want to work on a street view from one of the affiliates, and

this saltwater is going to be an awful lot of damage to their equipment down there, so it's going toored to those tunnels. in the meantime, bus service might be starting back up later today and into tomorrow, into the rush hour tomorrow morning, but it's going to be on a limited basis. they're saying that with this limited system, it's also going to be free for now. but at this point, commuters don't have a lot of choices. there are only about 4,000 taxis right now available. they're expecting that number to go up, but right now, for commuters, there are not a lot of choices, and as you can see by this station behind me, it is dark right now and the subway system, not ready to roll, and may be days before it is ready to. wolf? >> what about people who want to drive in and out of manhattan? can they do that? >> there are quite a number of bridges and tunnels that have been reopened. one notable exception is the holland tunnel. i have to tell you, coming in this morning from connecticut, a trip that would normally take about an hour, hour and a half, took us about four hours, just to m

if anyone knows anything about puget puget sound it's a saltwater estuary so adding salt to the saltwater estuary probably okay and the salmon will be all right. instead, instead you take plows and the path down the snow and sprinkle sand on top. how many of you here think that strategy would work? it did not. in fact we had ice potholes. you would be driving on top of this ice rink with sand on top and potholes would form in the eye so you would be going up and down. it was the worst thing i have ever seen. that is actually worse on the environment. sand is one of the things you want to keep off the streets because sand gets into the gills of fish and its hurts fish's assault is a better choice for the environments afghanistan. that it and work out well. mayor greg nickels was bounced in the primary and was replaced by a guy who immediately fix the problem i just cutting out road lanes and putting in bicycle lanes instead so i guess that fixed it. we have also implemented a plastic bag ban that does absolutely nothing to help the environment. you will see birds and turtles choking on pla

if anyone knows for sound, the saltwater estuary.so adding bulk to the saltwater estuary probably okay to the salmon will be okay. instead -- instead, you take plows can you pack down the snow and sprinkle sand on top. now how many of the new here think that strategy works? it did not. in fact, we had ice particles, we'd be driving on top of this ice rink was seen on top and potholes or form many days, so you go up and down. it was the worst thing i've ever seen. and it's actually worse for the environment. sand is one of the things you want to keep out of streams because sand will get into the details of which have not heard stationers assault is a better choice for the environment and the san. well, that didn't work out well. mayor greg nickels was bounced in the primary and was replaced by a guy who immediately fix the problem by just cutting up her things and putting in bicycle lanes instead. so i guess that fixed it. we've also implemented a plastic bag ban that does absolutely nothing to help the environment. you will see the p

this is saltwater. untold damage being done to the equipment that's been unundulated down there. no actual date set on when they think that might be repaired, and everything back up and running wait it was before the storm. but there are millions of people who depend on the system and there aren't a lot of good options until the subway gets back up and running. mayor bloomberg talking about how buss will start running tonight and tomorrow for tomorrow's rush hour, but they will be on a limited schedule. they can't carry everybody, and also about 4,000 taxis still in the city. they hope that number will go up. taxis have been allowed to carry more than one fare at a time. all of the car pooling in the world is not going to take care of the millions of people, again, that depend on subways and these stations like the one behind me, that is dark tonight, everyone wondering when they will be able to get back on the trains. >> david, thank you very much. something that could be the most important thing, everyone, to determine when new york city, the financial capital of the world is a

they are having to fight this with the saltwater. a big problem on their hands with 50 homes that have been now destroyed by this one home -- by this one fire out there. that's obviously one concern. the broader storm continues. we have the rain going on and most of new england is in that threat. we have the colder side of the storm with such strong winds. that means the left side of the storm is bringing cold winds down. the heavy snow across the appalachians, but the snow is now filling in in columbus ohio and stretching up toward parts of michigan and we can see some accumulation right there. the biggest accumulation will be across the appalachians. the temperatures are cold behind this storm. the colder air has been moving toward the ocean, and that's what caused the storm to take on this odd not typical hurricane characteristic. but for people who were without power, they were going to have a cold night tonight. it will remain cold, and the winds will continue. look at the current wind gusts here. still 52 miles an hour in harri

they're out, trying to clean the saltwater out of the subway and they have to test all the electronics down there, replace and repair what they can. so it's going to be a few days. as far as the electricity is concerned, in many areas it could be a week to ten days before that's back. that's an issue with the temperatures dropping now, the lack of heat and the wind continuing to blow. it's just going to be a tough go for quite some time, unfortunately. >> jay gray reporting from lower manhattan. new york city almost to a stand still. all of this unfolding in the population base of the united states. we're just one week until the presidential election. there is a political edge to this storm. >> what kind of impact could sandy have on the election? for that, we bring in larry. a lot of pundits saying this favors president obama, because it puts him in a light where he gets to act in charge and presidential. >> who would have thought weather and politics coming together? but you might not think of a hurricane as a political force, but sandy will be anything but neutral with respect to th

the fires from rock away were responsible from the saltwater coming into the homes and sparking the electricitydo if you leave your house, shut the power off at the breaker unless have you a sump pump in your basement. be careful if you go back on, water in the home, power still on, the power may still be on. that's why some con ed power outages were on purpose to stop this flooding potential with floodwater crossing paths. wind coming onshore here. at battery park, which was 13.88 feet, now we're down below almost 8 feet. this thing has gone down -- battery park has gone down nearly 5 1/2 or so feet from the last storm. we will see blizzard conditions continue. i got a brand new report, snowshoe, west virginia, 55-mile-per-hour winds, 15 new inches of snow on the ground. the red area is the blizzard warning and it will snow for the next 36 hour. it's going to be a mess in west virginia. >> it is. i wish the first

the problem a lot of water, we're hearing about subways in new york, it is saltwater.t will do corrosive damage to runway lights and that kind of thing. there will have to be major repairs done. i think it will take quite a while when you look at pictures of airports that look like lakes than airports it is going to take a while. that water will probably drain off very quickly. but getting the airports back up and running probably will take at least this weekend if not early next week before we see any semblance of normalcy in the airline networks. melissa: yeah. you talked about the hotels. airlines don't legally have to pay for people to stay in hotels if their flights are canceled. >> that's right. that is an important thing to remember. yeah go ahead. >> yeah a lot of people think if there is cancellation due to crisis like this that the airlines will put you up in a hotel. that is not the case that is something that the airlines use to do back in regulated days but not anymore. another thing people need to realize if you're your flight is completely canceled by th

in parts of manhattan in parts of new york city, including the city's public transit system where saltwater confirmed flooding the subway stations. >> check out these images from west virginia. it's very hard to digest but we're talking serious snow. our forecasters have said this will be a convergence of the hurricane, wind and rain and this almost like anothnor easie bringing snow. virginia governor bob mcdonald spoke to piers earlier about the weather impacts on his stay. >> we're going into day three-plus down into southeast virginia. started raining saturday night. they've had significant flooding around nor folk afolk and virgi beach. another 3 or 4 inches of rain expected. the western part of the state, we have blizzard conditions in the mountains with up to a foot or more of snow expected and wind gusts of 40 to 50 miles an hour. it's a vast array of weather affecting the entire state. >> as much as a foot of snow. that being matched by a foot of rain in some parts of virginia as well. >> and the mid-atlantic sandy is just scraping the coast there. dealing with -- it's ripping sand

this is saltwater. untold damage being done to the equipment that's been unundulated down there.point, no actual date set on when they think that might be repaired, and everything back up and running the way it was before the storm. but there are millions of people who depend on the system and there aren't a lot of good options until the subway gets back up and running. mayor bloomberg was talking about how buses will start running tonight and tomorrow for tomorrow's rush hour, but they will be on a limited schedule. they can't carry everybody, and also about 4,000 taxis still in the city. they hope that number will go up. taxis have been allowed to carry more than one fare at a time. all of the car pooling in the world is not going to take care of the millions of people, again, that depend on subways and these stations like the one behind me, that is dark tonight, everyone wondering when they will be able to get back on the trains. >> david, thank you very much. something that could be the most important thing, everyone, to determine when new york city, the financial capital of

if the saltwater gets in, there's corrosion, it's a mess. that would be a multi-million dollar disaster. the last time that happened was with dawn. well up the eeriest sound, the wind whipping 20, 30 miles an hour higher than what we're dealing with down here at the surface, there are two cranes attached up there. they've been shaking all day. but it's just a fascinating storm. it's 58 degrees in new york city. yet there's a storm surge coming up, the highest we've ever seen in new york city's recorded history. just an amazing storm, guys. i'm going to go on record, i won't admit it to him, you can tell doug kammerer he did pretty well on this one. >> all right. we'll tell him you said that. bill, i want to ask you this, here in the washington area, most of the local officials told the folks to stay indoors to shelter in place, stay off the streets. and everywhere we go, we see people who are still brave enough to venture out into this weather. we see people milling around you. where you are. >> reporter: it's almost like the eeriest thing h

. >> first, stay away from the saltwater if you're a snail. as you're crossing over the water, fresh water on the lens. this is the issue. very artistic. enough water has gathered on the lens that the auto focus has shifted towards the water. but, you know, that will change as the rain comes in steadier if that is the case. the approach, there's still green on the roadways. that means there's water on the roadways here. 880 north at seventh may be an issue at the off ramp but so far the freeway is clear. a new accident in the trivalley. right around north livermore is currently in lanes moving to the shoulder just as the commute starts to build. so this is not great news as you're heading into livermore but west of there towards the dublin interchange, you're okay. better news as you're passing by red top road, back to you. >> full service traffic forecast. mike in no way, giving safety tips for snails, does not get better than that. >>> presidential candidates flying coast to coast as they make their final pitches to voters. >>> i'll have a l

. >> for whatever saltwater damage there has been because of the flooding and then the jersey shore. talk to me about new jersey because here you have a whole coastline that has been rearranged by this storm. >> yeah. i don't think we know all that's happened to the jersey shore yet. governor christie is going up in a helicopter and we're going to get our first pictures here this afternoon. we've had reports from point pleasant beach where the beach was essentially taken and spread through the town and then we've heard from atlantic city and seen where the boardwalk was ripped up and so forth. in the middle is long beach island and i haven't seen any reports from long beach island. what happened there is they were on the side of the storm where the water was pushed from the ocean in across the shoreline. farther south, down into maryland and delaware, much of the coast where they had some damage, they didn't have that hard push of water at high tide like good parts of the jersey shore did. so we're very, very fearful there and also on the south shore of long island. we also haven't s

it's saltwater and will damage the tracks. it's an electrical system underneath there.hat's huge multi-million dollar repairs. i'm fearful of all our friends on the jersey shore. it looks like this storm is your storm for the history books. your high tide cycle tonight. we saw how bad the morning one was. atlantic city had water three to four blocks inland. the pier was blowing down the street inland. if anyone can get out, get out now because your time is running out. >> to your point about getting out now, the same kind of warning being given for rhode island, bill, as the governor there is telling people to get out while they can. right now rhode island, i have my blackberry here, reporting about 12,000 people without power. another update. these are live pictures, in fact, from rhode island. long island power just another example. 45,000 customers affected in long island, and the list goes on and on. we're at tens of thousands of people, and the storm has not yet hit as you pointed out the historic level for new jersey, the jersey shore area along. this means you co

there on poles or whether it's being replaced for things like the subway system which obviously with saltwater on those cables, even, you know, flooding that continues to this moment, you've got to think that a lot of demand is going to be brought forward into these areas. >> murph, we're looking at pictures of that crane accident where a piece of that crane was dangling some 92 or so stories above manhattan not far from your office, right? >> correct, scott. this morning i was by there yesterday. i was in my office yesterday, and you could see it literally right out of the window from my office. such a scary setup because if that goes down, although they evacuated the buildings there, there are so many large buildings that that could really affect. this morning i went to the office and was told the whole block was sectioned off by the police department, and they would in the allow me in, so our entire office building is empty today. they will not let people have access. just another one of the very small problems that come from the storm, you know, we do have power, but we can't get in becaus

especially saltwater and electricity don't mix.that color, it's that glow, the color that you would see when a tornado would roll through and knock down a transformer or power line. it's that power line flash that is so reminiscent of wires coming apart and electricity getting out in the air and those lights sparking in that color. it's an eerie color. >> i'm told there are ten confirmed deaths in the united states. more deaths obviously in cuba, jamaica, also in haiti before the storm even arrived in the u.s. so far, ten confirmed deaths. one in queens. a person, a man was hit, i believe the earlier report by a falling tree. no doubt in daylight we'll know a lot more in terms of the total number of deaths related to the storm. also injuries, house and property damage. >> sadly, with a storm of this magnitude, that's just going to happen. no matter how diligent and careful people are, a storm of this strength and size, you've just got to have that unfortunately. what's happened in atlantic city is incredible, the boardwalk down the

this is saltwater. the electrical switches, all the problems they could have with that. think of the nightmare they would have trying to replace that stuff if it got damaged. we still have a north wind. as the storm approaches to our south in southern portions of the state of new jersey, our winds will whip around to the east. that's when new york city will get its highest gusts. as we go towards the evening hours and start to crank these 30 to 40-mile-per-hour wind gusts we have the maps to show you those, we're going to crank those back up to 60, 70, possibly 80-mile-per-hour gusts that's when the extreme damage will go. if you haven't lost power yet, you want to take that warm shower do so now because tonight into tomorrow we're thinking millions won't have that power thp this storm as it main stains its strength it's amazing and something to be studied for months and years to come, 90-mile-per-hour hurricane, two or three days before november, is going to head into the jersey shore, andrea, just incredible stuff. the radar, the rain, the rain isn't the story in new e

those winds 40 miles an hour, 45 miles an hour on the boardwalk with the spray and the sand and the saltwatertinging in your face was a very gruesome experience. one i would not recommend to anybody. we thought about going inland a little bit because of the overwash starting to come on to the boardwalk here, and then we realized it's so dark because there's no power in this whole town. well, we didn't know what we'd run into because earlier we'd seen stop lights smashed on to the ground. we saw roof tiles flying off. it wasn't a pretty -- as a matter of fact, let me show you something. to give you an idea, chris, of how dangerous this is. there's a sign up there that is flapping in the wind right now. you can see that is a metal sign and appropriately it says "body piercing." if that were to fly off and hit us, it would be doing some body piercing. and, in fact, my photographer, who is shooting this right now, his name is jimmy moller, was hit by a flying piece of sign. it cut him on the inside of his wrist. it cut his ring finger. i believe it was his ring finger or the one next to the ring

remember, it is corrosive saltwater doing a lot of damage that may meaning they will have to replacee of the key components of those tunnels. of course the bridges were closed down as well, although those are open leading to some traffic coming in from manhattan. liz: from ground to air, laguardia airport is effectively shut down. some flights are going out of jfk and newark liberty but not laguardia. if you've seen some of the video, in essence the tarmacs are flooded, they just are. they moved all the planes away. it will take a long time for la guard yaw to be -- laguardia to be dried out. of course that is a huge issue. now they are shutting down bridge to motorists with one driver or passenger. stay away from the area. david: let's not bury the lead. today the markets opened. new york city is open for business. we worked out very well. the markets didn't panic. everything is happening. yes, there's gridlock but we're used to that here in new york. we're back to normal i love you, james. don't you love me? i'm a robot. i know. i know you're a robot! but there's more in you than j

this is saltwater.old damage being done to the equipment that's been inundated down there. at this point, no actual date set on when they think that might be repaired and everything is back up and running the way it was before the storm. but there are millions of people who depend on this system, and there really aren't a lot of good options until the subway gets back up and running. mayor bloomberg was talking today about how the buses were start running tonight and into tomorrow for tomorrow's rush hour, but on a limited schedule. so they can't carry everybody. also, about 4,000 taxis still in the city. they hope that number will go up. those taxis have been allowed to carry more than one fare at a time, but all of the carpooling in the world is not going to take care of those millions of people, again, that depend on those subways. and the stations, like the one behind me, that is dark tonight. everyone wondering when they are going to be able to get back on those trains. >> david mattingly, thank yo

saltwater and electricity don't mix well.big intra strufrastru problem putting the subway back in order and that is a huge economic loss to the city. >> and when you look at the number of people taking the subway in the city. >> and we talk at the city that is not uniform and if you look at ta skyscrapers, because they are different sizes and spacings and all and when the wind goes through the skyscrapers, you will get the complex interaction and the wind speeds up called wind channeling which will suck out the windows of the skyscrapers. >> you think it will happen in the category one storm? >> i think so, because i am sitting here in queen, and i'm just getting the first pulsings on my windows, and i can imagine what is it like tomorrow. >> and we have been talking to the people in east village saying that the winds are 40 and the garbage cans are rolling down the street already. this is the wind tunnelling effect that you are talking about? >> yes, the bernoulli principle. as you squeeze it through the windows, it will suc

talking about now, that we could have some real damage done to these refineries especially if that saltwaters over, breaches the defenses if you like? what kind of impact could that have on refining capacity? >> well that is the worst-case scenario and i think that is the worst-case scenario for the phillips 66 refinery in bay wing, new jersey. that one isn't directly in the direct path of the storm but the storm surge numbers say that could potentially happen. that is the greatest risk out there. although if you look at probabilities it is probably not a high probability but it is a possibility. today's gasoline increases on the nymex reflect to a certain extent a worst-case scenario. melissa: you jumped ahead to my next question because i was going to ask you based on trading today what do you think is priced in already and where do we go from here? >> i think we priced in a few days or perhaps even a week or so of shutdowns at port reading, the hess facility, and the bay way refinery that phillips has and we're pricing in that the philadelphia or delaware river plants will continue to run

saltwater churning there. the mayor briefing in matter of moments.been standing by for that. it's supposed to start about 45 minutes ago. we will bring that to you. here is more history too. the floor of the new york stock exchange it will be empty yet again, the first time that weather has forced the shut down for more than a day in 125 years. that was the blizzard of 1888. exchange officials say the trading floor did not sustain any damage as of last night. there were some rumors going about but they were not true. we are expecting plenty of volatility too when it does reopen, traders are scrambling to make moves ahead of friday's unemployment report, and next week's presidential election, there is potential damage from sandy, that drove european and asian markets a bit lower yesterday too when the exchange opens, and right now we do not know when that is. is it tomorrow? will it be thursday or beyond that? at this point we don't have an answer. martha: there are some safety concerns from the storm in terms of shutting down portions of two nuclear

saltwater and algae. this low water disperses the oil and the elegy feast on the. with the handiwork by a power much higher than the epa. [applause] so two years later the worst of marital disaster ever in the really wasteland never really happened. almost hard to find any sign of a leak in the region unless you count the billions and billions of dollars poured into the area by air remorseful bp. and the reason? armies of environmentalists and college kids calling the beaches skimmers and equipment. so water and elsie. the hyper dramatics, the tears and wales and smashing a teeth? why is it every time some oil spills we are treated to the melodrama of overacting from the enormous a left? it was like one of those scenes from the arab streets with women making that noise. that is what averments lasalle like. every time somebody spill something. why? why did they do it? it's all about the power. if you want to increase your power the first thing you need is a fat crisis. scared everyone into thinking that this is really it. in me only have three years left to drive ou

that means all of the machines are flooded with saltwater.he machines to buy the tickets, the machines to get through the turnstiles. the third rail, all of that still wet. and the pumps are working, getting out, but i'm telling you what, if you're talking about that south end of manhattan, talking about lower manhattan, i don't believe we're going to be up tomorrow or for that matter anytime this week. >> i can tell you, that's where i live, electricity is still obviously out. just getting around, it is really interesting, chad, because, you know, above where there is electricity, upper manhattan, it is much easier, restaurants are open and people can get food. downtown where i live, everything is shut down. you have to walk everywhere. the buses are jammed. they just started running today. you can share taxi rides, but taxis are few and far between. i got a lift, two guys in a car, just stopped, picked me up, and drove me, you know, close to where i work, but it is a real mess down there and doesn't seem to be getting any better quickly. >>

we were out in the ocean about half an hour ago, obviously saltwater that also had sand in it, obviouslyy. this is fresh water. you have a better sense of the water pattern around here where we'll start to get the water from. you can see by the wind, the fire vehicles there, police over here, new jersey state police just passed me. we're seeing a lot of law enforcement ability. i just saw an ambulance go by. they seem well prepared in atlantic city. the car and truck in between us right now. let me move over so you can actually see me. we are not seeing casual folks around. we are definitely seeing people with pickup trucks and, you know, checking out their business and things like that, but everything on the boardwalk -- i don't know if you got the video i sent in from when i was on the boardwalk. everything is shuttered. most stores have steel grates in front of them which they usually use to lock up the store. others have plywood. but everybody is hunkered down and prepared. there are about 500 people in the shelters in atlantic city. governor christie has said in new jersey if you ha