joining me is gail saltz. some listening to this would say it's clearly a warning of what was to come. what do you make of it all? >> you know, unfortunately, i don't think that you could see this as a red flag of what was to come. in retrospect, if this was indeed him, of course it makes you question did he identify with this chimpanzee. maybe he was talking about himself in a way. it's possible. but in looking forward, you would not listen to this and say, this is a red flag, i'm concerned this person would commit violence. most people that say something like this or even violent things do not go on to commit violence and there was no direct threat. so i think, unfortunately, the wishes that you could listen to something like this and then say, okay, we should notify about this person because it would stop something and i'm sad to say that even psychiatrists who have patients in their office who would say something like this can't necessarily predict who will actually go on to commit a violent act because th