. >> host: and the others, sandio, salvador allende. these are the -- i don't know if i left anybody out but these are the great revolutionaries you write about in at least several places in "mirrors." >> guest: the main one was a woman. you see speaking about her, i left -- >> host: you quote here, 277. >> guest: this is a become of quotations. this was an exception because i owe to her the certitude that another world is possible, and she was the prophet -- you don't wave a -- have to read the emote -- quotation because she was the prophet of though 20th 20th century. the 20th century was the divorce between justice and freedom. half of the world sacrificed justice in the name of freedom, and the other half of the world sacrificed freedom in the name of justice. and russia wanted socialist revolution. >> host: and so it's called democratic socialism. >> guest: yes. yes. but not in the way some people speak about democratic socialist and making up of capitalism. i don't know. >> host: makeup, yeah. when i asked you that question of whi