sam alito's position was that congress does not have any power to regulate the supreme court in that way. kagan was going on the record somewhat remarkable that sam alito gave the interview to the wall street journal and somewhat remarkable that elena kagan has decided to respond to him. she basically said that's not true. there is all kinds of evidence to the contrary and all kinds of rules the supreme court has to abide by that are the product of laws passed by congress down to the fact that their session begins in the first monday in october, that derives from a statute passed by congress, the size of the work has been changed by congress many times in the nation's history. the interview that sam alito gave at the wall street journal, the individual that conducted the interview and publish the piece was actually a lawyer and was arguing a court at the supreme court next year so there are propriety questions about sam alito giving an interview to somebody who will appear before the in a case next term. the fact that sam alito gave the interview and what he said makes the case for a

decision on same-sex marriage, sam alito dissented from the majority saying it will be used to vilifyew orthodoxy. looks like he was right. >> very right. he predicted it. the case is not whether you are a gay couple or transgender couple, but whether people like the mcgurns have to agree to the reigning ideology to be parents, 1500 kids awaited a permanent home in massachusetts, yet they are denying kids, citing the catholic faith. the husband, mike, is a marine who served in a rack. a traditional latin mass which makes him a target for the fbi. it is really crazy. this is the same issue as baker's wedding planner and so forth. david: when you know that many children are looking for good parents, a decent couple like this being denied the ability to adopt on the basis of religion, there is something very wrong. >> i think it is and the courts will recognize that and win on appeal especially if it were up to the supreme court because the supreme court has recently been ruling in favor of people who make claims based on their religious beliefs. let's separate a couple things. these peo

sam alito's position was that congress does not have any power to regulate the supreme court in thatay. kagan was going on the record somewhat remarkable that sam alito gave the interview to the wall street journal and somewhat remarkable that elena kagan has decided to respond to him. she basically said that's not true. there is all kinds of evidence to the contrary and all kinds of rules the supreme court has to abide by that are the product of laws passed by congress down to the fact that their session begins in the first monday in october, that derives from a statute passed by congress, the size of the work has been changed by congress many times in the nation's history. the interview that sam alito gave at the wall street journal, the individual that conducted the interview and publish the piece was actually a lawyer and was arguing a court at the supreme court next year so there are propriety questions about sam alito giving an interview to somebody who will appear before the in a case next term. the fact that sam alito gave the interview and what he said makes the case for a n

and some of the controversy over sam alito before again arising from the news reports from pro republicae ago and none of them listed on the report, and what we got on the sam alito report was extensive travel for speeches that he gave including a very provocative speech that he gave in rome right after the dobbs decision that reversed "roe v. wade" and so some of that arises in that context. and what clarence thomas himself put on the form about one of the private jet trips that he put on harlan crow's dime came in may of 2022 about a week after the dobbs leak, the leak of the decision reversing "roe v. wade" and he said that he had been advised to be taking private travel instead of commercial instead of safety concerns, and it is the first time that it has been in writing and the first time of assertion, and we are not sure if the justices are taking more private travel rather than commercial because of the security considerations. >> yes, it is interesting, because the polling has shown that popular opinion of the supreme court is near all-time lows. on the that point, joan, you had

you have sam alito, jamele, in an interview, with a guy who's gonna be arguing huge case for him this term, by the way, saying congress doesn't, the constitution says the congress can't do that. >> i read that and i need lead side it's just obviously wrong. it isn't just obviously wrong but it's a remarkable statement. it's a statement from a supreme court justice that -- they exist above the constitutional system, that's nothing that can touch them. that's frankly false, the constitution provides a number of mechanisms for congress to restrain discipline or strip the court from the power of the purse. there's nothing in the constitution this is the justices have to have officers, have to have clerks. that's all or congressional discretion. from the fact that in my view i think in an reading of article three section two, congress can put regulations on the court with regards to ethics. can say that if you're going to hear this kind of category of cases, you have to not have any conflict of interest. it's the only thing congress can do. the fact that alito would say that publicly, havi

think there's something that happens to me where sometimes i see a particular prominent figure, sam alitosometimes giving speeches and, like, i kind of know what media they're consuming. [laughter] >> and look, here's the thing. those of us in the media who feel that it's important as a true things to people, wonder how we reach people outside of that sphere or bubble. if it's getting to john eastman, that's a bit of a challenge. >> thank you very. much still to come, i still want to find 11,780 votes. new subpoenas a new signals. another indictment coming for donald trump, next. >> this was the scene outside the atlanta courthouse this week. the fulton county district attorney's office when investigating donald trump's attempts to overturn the election in the state of georgia. barriers, traffic redirected, bomb-sniffing dogs--security has been heightened for the better part of the week because we are expecting a grand jury in that fulton county investigation to potentially hand down donald trump's fourth indictment, any day now. back in may, district attorney fani willis released a lette

you know, back when another one decided, sam alito said the problem with the majority opinion doing it by the courts rather than the democratic work of the people, the problem with that is that they ostracize critics of same-sex marriage, held as bigots and alito said it would not be a live and let live philosophy. there is one philosophy and if you are not part of it you are going to be canceled and that's what the burkes are counting on. >> john: in fact, you quoted from oberg v hodges, samuel alito said, it will be used to vilify americans unwilling to assent to the now orthodoxy. implications of the analogy, and simply meant states could not deny marriage licenses to same-sex couples. alito said it's a cautionary tale, this is about that but expanded to cover other things and you believe the burkes get caught up in that? >> they do. and i think there are two different cases alito is involved. that is one and dobbs is one. i think dobbs is the right decision, returns it to the democratic process. all these predictions that abortion would be snuffed out and so forth. it wasn't. there

. >> leak this, sam alito. >> gumdrop, did you get enough gas for the sleigh? >> sure did, santa.y clothes but she's ready to go. >> wow. this economy is rough. bumble lost everything in crypypto. >> matt damon lie! fortunune no favor bold. >> oh, well. let's load up the sleigh. jingle, any last-minute letters before we take off? >> just a few. >> "dear santa, i forgot to tell you that i love you and i love the elves and reindeer too!" >> ohh. this is what makes it all worthwhile. in the end, to love and believe is all we need on christmas eve. ooh, that's good. put that on a mug, lenny. >> right away, sir. >> all right. one more, then we fly. >> "dear big fat coca-cola man." >> huh? >> "i i want ukraiaine for christstmas. they will nonot give. you will gigive." >>>> w what? absolutelyly not! cookie, send this to the holly jolly hague. what a borscht-hole. next letter. >> "i heard that." >> uh-oh. >> "you did not give ukraine. now i annex north pole." >> santa, come quick! we're all over cnn. >> breakining news: it's beginng to look k a lot likeke crisis.s. i'm m here in red squar

thomas and sam alito asked for 90 days extension to release the disclosure forms.riginally they were due in the spring. but also indicated they may go back and amend previous disclosures. >> and that happens. other justices have had to do that as well. originally the guidelines, and still are to some extent, they are fairly murky, they are discretionary. what thomas has said through spokes people and a statement, etc., and a lawyer, he has complied with these guidelines throughout the years. consulted the appropriate people and feels confident in what he disclosed and if there were mistakes or inadvertent nondisclosures they are happy to make them. >> john: he has had dozens and dozens of law clerks, more than 100 ever them penned an open letter in support of clarence thomas saying different paths led us to our year with justice thomas and we have followed different paths since. along the way we saw with our own eyes the same thing. his integrity is unimpeachable. among the signatories was our laura ingram, clerked for him in 1992. >> he has a reputation among cler

think there's something that happens to me where sometimes i see a particular prominent figure, sam alitoimes giving speeches and, like, i kind of know what media they're consuming. [laughter] >> and look, here's the thing. those of us in the media who feel that it's important as a true things to people, wonder how we reach people outside of that sphere or bubble. if it's getting to john eastman, that's a bit of a challenge. >> thank you very. much still to come, i still want to find 11,780 votes. new subpoenas a new signals. another indictment coming for donald trump, next. donald trump, next your digestive system isn't at its best. but a little metamucil everyday can help. metamucil's psyllium fiber gels to trap and remove the waste that weighs you down and also helps lower cholesterol and slows sugar absorption to promote healthy blood sugar levels. so you can feel lighter and more energetic. lighten everyday the metamucil way. feel less sluggish & weighed down after just 14 days. sign up for the 2 week challenge at metamucil.com - [female narrator] five billion people lack access to s

i don't think it will go over very well behind the scenes with sam alito. >> i wonder how it will go roberts. when the leader was securing his place on the supreme court he promised to adhere to ethics, laws from congress. after failing to comply with anti corruption laws, illegal is now insisting lawmakers have no authority to regulate the court. it is a familiar pattern that we have seen with conservative justices, which all increases the pressure on chief justice john roberts to do something. he seems to have his head buried in the sand. >> that is exactly right. the pressure is only increasing because senate judiciary democrats have now sent a letter to john roberts, urging him to force alito to recuse himself from several cases. one that would potentially involve this legislation that the committee has already enacted, that would impose ethical requirements on the court. another case that will be heard just next term that will be argued by the lawyer who did the interview with alito with the wall street journal, where he made these wildly unethical statements. the chief justice