. >> endo, a discussion on technology, politics, and society, with open ai chair, sam altman, and technology journalist, karen swisher. this took place at many, a san francisco lens that hosts civic events. it is just under 90 minutes. >> so we are going to kind of move chronologically a little bit here, and i want you guys, for those in the audience that is not been to conversations with me already, and have not met you, talk a little bit about the utopia that the early technologists were thinking about when they thought about how technology and the worldwide web would interact with politics. what did people think was going to happen with the intersection of tech and politics? >> i'm in, construct, i did not think they thought at all. i think they thought they knew what they were doing, and i think, a lot of things get written after people become billionaires, or after they become successful. but, having been the very beginning,, living in washington, i worked in the washington post, when the internet was actually born, not when it was born, because it was there before as a government entit