sam clark has more from breast these rallies . they take place every year around the country and that's happening once again in 2022 d. c. we have some of those relative have to be cancelled simply due to the, the social distances regulation and the, the code outbreaks and ones that you've gone online. but we do a large number together, we think some already and kidney some in brisbin and other capital cities and the rally that is not just addressing the concerns about the date of the study and public holiday. but they're also addressing the concerns about the indigenous australians and that the indigenous australians were. the 1st arrivals, not the, not the 11 ship, the face of 11 convict ships to rod in 1788. and this year the rally got other issues which they, including in these protests around the country and the pushing for issues like indigenous rights at the end of a black test in custody and child removal. i should also note that the marks the end of history is the original set up of the aboriginal embassy and camera. peop

. >> sam kailey is -- >> i think general clark is right. are a lesser set of sanctions than an all-out invasion. gray war information operation, psychological operations. cyber operations. not unlike what they've already done. and i would see more of that. perhaps to try to solidify their grip on the donbas region and the two states that are now nominally russian controlled, although there's been a latent war there that cost 14,000 people since 2014. >> i do want to ask sam kiley who is there in ukraine right now, would the ukrainian military be ready for an invasion? >> well, dealing with -- they said they are ready. they are conducting operations as we speak. there is a -- the hot war, it's a low intensity war but there's a war going on in the donbas. a cease-fire signed in 2020, but recognized largely in cyberexchanges but as president zelensky said, when international dignitaries come, he likes to take them down there because you can hear the gunshots going on. in termed of the hybrid warfare the two generals who were speaking ahead of

sam kylie in ukraine for us, thank you. let's get perspective from the former nato supreme allied commander retired general wesley clark and with us evelyn farkas. general clark, you heard president biden said he is moving u.s. troops to nato's eastern flank in the near term. how critical is it right now to see this ramping up, this deterrence ramping up as the threat of a russian invasion apparently rises? >> very important. i welcome that announcement. that's what we have to do because mr. putin escalated the forces and the nature of the threat. for the deterrence to hold the president has to show resolve and bring the resolve from the united states and nato. this is u.s. leadership seeing it in action. right now if you look at the gives and the takes in this you would say the united states and nato are doing extremely well. nato is holding together, pushing back and showing resolve. it is the right strategy. >> at the same time, evelyn, how disturbing it to hear that the build-up is bigger than anything since the cold war? >> it is important. thank you for having me. back in "the situation room." what he is trying to do

clark just brought up which i think is really important. you talked about the toolbox. frank of this is something i teach a lot about at georgia tech samunn school. in america we tend to be sort of stove piped in our responses. to radical islam we use steel and treadmill, bombs and we try to eliminate those problems primarily via our military. when we deal with russia in the past it's almost all been in our economic cylinder of excellence. sanctions. additional sanctions, deeper sanctions, special sanctions, very special sanctions. but a nation has more in its toolkit, a very simple diagram i use for fighter college, we need simplicity and repetition is die. with diplomatic part, informational power, military power and economic power. anything we should be more balanced in our reply, all of nation, all of the government or all of alliance reply using all the tools rather than the stovepipes we have with radical islam, the stovepipes we have with russia, et cetera. sorry for -- >> if i could come in on what general breedlove said and give a a couple of examples. >> as long as you're not in violent agreement again. >> we are always in ag