well him and next guest may know sam dagher as a journalist and author who has reported extensively from inside syria has worked for the wall street journal was nominated for the pulitzer price sam is also the author of assad or how we burned the country how one family's lost a 4 power destroyed syria published last year he joins us now from detroit welcome to the day 20 years on a country shattered how is assad still able to hold on to par. thank you very much and very quickly we just clarify a few points in your introduction i don't think it's a civil war the regime turned it into a civil war which is simply one aspect of the conflict that's number one number 2 the arab spring in the graffiti on the walls of the children are simply the triggers for you know the fundamental underlying causes of this uprising so to go to your question i think at the moment he is propped up by iran and russia without these 2 backers of the regime would fall he tends to play and play them off against each other whenever the russians lean on him he goes to the iranians for support and helped to push back th