and then the parallel is a man named sam damon -- this guy's named courtney massengale, this guy's sam damon -- and he rises through the ranks from the enlisted ranks, battlefield commission, kind of struggles his way through, and watching him struggle his way through, and he makes some mistakes along the way and -- but his -- and learns from those mistakes and becomes the better of the two leaders, i think -- well, not "i think doug" he does become the better of the two leaders. >> so putting the policy issues aside in washington -- >> really? [laughter] >> what's wrong -- what would you advise -- what is the leadership prescription that the players, the actors in washington need now to get through the gridlock? >> well, first of all, because of my role within the administration and within the department, that's well beyond my responsibility. but if you're asking citizen dempsey, not general dempsey, i think that the issue of relationship-building is actually what seems to me to be the key to success. and i -- you know, governor christie talked about building relationships, reaching a