first, sam irvin. >> guest: agreed. sam irvin was, you know, i think that it was a unique opportunity for him. he was a very colorful character. he was fair, he was, he had the wisdom to hire sam dash who put together a very careful set of hearings. they developed, you know, basically all the information that gave the big picture. he educated the public as to the events. the prosecutor's files are just loaded with those hearing documents as to the basis of where they started, so he did all the groundwork. to really uncover what was going on and why it was happening. >> host: the other topic was health care and as we've been seeing in this debate, there was a moment in the nixon white house where we could have had health care. >> guest: right. and kennedy would later say that he wished he'd accepted nixon's deal when he offered it. because we would have had health care a long time ago before the late senator passed away. but that was in the domestic policy area. i had very almost incidental dealings with that, i was just