i think that sam katz is definitely in. i wish he'd run as a republican. he was an excellent candidate in the past, knows how to raise money, knows what's going on in the city. so i think he's definitely gonna be in. >> i think it all depends on who wins the democratic primary, and, frankly, it may come down to something -- well, not something. it'd be down to race. if anthony williams wins i expect, you know, could you see a bill green or a sam katz in? and if kenney wins, you probably don't see necessarily a katz race. >> i don't know. there could be another independent that comes in. if kenney wins, there could be people who say, "wow, we need someone who's not kenney to come in. maybe he's too close to one group or another." >> well, with sam katz, you have to wonder. sam has never been devoid of ideas. he's an intelligent man. he's had a lot of good ideas over the years, but you have to think if he couldn't beat john street in the middle of a wiretap scandal -- >> actually, he came closer four years -- >> the first time, right. you got to wonder how s