better life. >>> all right, we're back along with sam nunberg, and also maya wiley is back with us. cerned about michael cohen, what are your thoughts about his legal situation? >> i'm very sad. i don't necessarily -- >> do you believe him? >> do i believe that he's saying -- >> what he said yesterday in terms of his guilty plea got president, that the president knew? >> i believe that the president did not know at that time about stormy daniels, which is why -- which is why trump org did not take care of it. he would have taken care of it, he had the money to do it. >> you just suggested michael cohen did these types of things for the president. >> that's exactly -- >> how do you reconcile the two things, if the president expected michael to take care of these things. >> the president said he didn't learn about the specific payment until after the election. i believe he didn't know about the payment until after the election based on the fact that michael took out the money himself to pay it. he could have gone to the cfo, who's already been subpoenaed, he could have talked to allen

sam nunberg joins me to talk about the civil war brewing inside trump's gop. the united nations taking on donald trump's attacks on the free press. >>> the top story, the closing circle of pressure on trump from the manafort trial. michael avenatti has popped back up with a dvd, doing some breaking news of his own on who is in possession of it. >> do you have anything else you can tell me about this dvd? >> as soon as we get it back from law enforcement, i'll be happy to talk about it. >> that is new. the assertion that law enforcement are sufficiently interested in this dvd collected as evidence. we do not know, and this is important, if avenatti is alleging it's in the possession of federal law enforcement, which could mean mueller or cohen prosecutors in new york, or whether it is some other local case which could be far less important. >>> meanwhile, the other news tonight is that mueller has completed interviews with another new roger stone associate, her name is kristin davis. now, stone says tonight that she knows nothing about alleged russian collusion

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it seems like -- sam nunberg will tell you this. he sat in front of the special counsel. seem like they're targeting roger stone and he could potentially be a lynch pin. is that saying too much? is that making too broad an assumption? >> katy, this why i love reporting with you. doesn't seem that hard to connect that by indictments that have been brought forward by the special counsel that robert mueller is honing in on this network of russians that wanted to influence our campaign through social media, that they wanted to hack into the dnc, hillary clinton e-mails and also use that information to influence our election. a huge piece of this is social media and the work they did through cambridge analytica and the leaks of those facts through wikileaks. we know roger stone has a lot of tentacles in those worlds. he's done a hot of work in england. he's tied to the trump campaign. we have to look carefully at the way they're painting these characters. these are people who have been in republican politics for a long time. these aren't the people who were carrying the moral

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unlike sam nunberg, miller is not claiming he will deny the subpoena out of the view. he wants to file an appeal in court. they say their goal is to get a different judge who they hope will find mueller's entire probe is illegitimate. >> in order to appeal the judge's decision, challenging the constitutionally of the special counsel, we have to have a contempt order in order to go to the court of appeals. >> that's one thing that happened today. meanwhile, there is action at paul manafort's trial, but it took a turn to the mysterious. today was going to be the day they rested their case. then the judge halted the trial for hours. then mueller's team called ahead a bank executive who testified that manafort was trying to sell a job in the trump administration. this is big. this is the first corruption allegation in the trial that does implicate that future trump administration, though, there was no claim today that trump knew about this offer. while that evidence was making its way through federal court, what was donald trump's legal team doing? were they working on a f

not talking to stone but we have kristin davis, other people close to him, sam nunberg, michael caputo. what does this mean for stone? >> it means that mueller's probe is thriving on the anxiety and uncertainty of all these things. remember, his directive is not simply to look at the campaign-related collusion. rosenstein said if he comes across any other criminal activity in the course of that investigation he need not ignore it as a pile of cocaine as he searches for homicide in the house. he can look at the coffee table as swollen to just as the situation with michael cohen, it may now be that perhaps donald trump is silent because a target is not him in that capacity and everyone is closer and closer to roger stone with the wikileaks, with the sam nunberg interview talking about the zoning in on him and he has reason and cause to be nervous. >> i mean, when you add it up, does stone get indicted here? is that what this is building words? >> it certainly is building in that direction and for someone like stone, not being spoken to is definitely a bad sign as you point out about cohe

charlie sykes, amber phillips, tom winter, sam nunberg, thank you very much. when it comes to michael cohen and paul manafort, mum's the word for most congressional republicans. also, the president spreading a new conspiracy theory. he is butting into a racially charged debate in south africa with all the wrong facts. my next guest says the nightmare is just beginning for paul manafort. all of the president's legal problems next. ♪i believe, i really do believe that♪ ♪something's got a hold on me, yeah♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪oh, something's got a hold on me right now, child♪ ♪oh, it must be love ♪let me tell you now, oh it must be love♪ and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. this wi-fi is fast. i know! i know! i know! i know! when did brian move back in? brian's back? he doesn't get my room. he's only going to be here for like a week. like a month, tops. oh boy. wi-fi fast enough for the whole

. >> sam nunberg says differently. inasmuch as he says that roger was much more direct and strong in terms of saying that he thought he had some access and knowledge. >> well, i think that there was an e-mail that he says jokingly to nunberg, saying, i'm having dinner with julian assange. but that was a joke, and sam nunberg tends to call you 50 times in the course of ten minutes and e-mail consistently, annoyingly. >> wait. why would that make -- >> roger putting him off and making a joke like please leave leave me alone. >> you don't believe he had plans to have dinner with julian assange? >> no. he's not left the country. >> i remember back before neither of us knew better when i was talking to roger about guccifer and him talking to them, he didn't believe anything about guccifer was real or anything like that. and whatever he was talking about on twitter, he didn't think was a big deal. but since then, the intelligence community has shown that they believe that guccifer is exactly what we were afraid it was, which

sam nunberg's public meltdown after receiving a subpoena in march. he was implicit. he did not want to incriminate his mentor. >> roger stone is like my father. i am not going to go in there for them to set up a case against roger. >> after all that nunberg did testify with the grand jury. >> ultimately, mueller wants to indict roger. i think this indictment, he is going to have a sexy charge, conspiracy to defraud. my opinion as i said to you, roger conspired against himself and not the russians. >> mueller's team has continued to subpoena witnesses linked to stone. kristin davis appeared before the grand jury just this afternoon. stone associate randy. stone is the vivid mentioned. quote on or about august 15 the conspirators posing as guccifer 2 .0. there is other evidence that stone could have colluded with agents including his own claim of having been in touch with wikileaks. >> in regard to the october surprise, what is your point on that. >> it could be any number of things. i have communicated with assange. i believe the next documents pertain to the clinton

has a connection to roger stone who is the person who has connection to wikileaks, person that sam nunberg infamously on cnn and other chann channels talked about a meeting between he and julian assange. either one, it is another way to get closer to donald trump as candidate and president or roger stone may be the new target, the same way we didn't think michael cohen had anything to be afraid of, suddenly everything changed. paul manafort, same thing. roger stone may be in the next category. >> i remember when bill clinton was president many years ago, rush limbaugh would say how many of your associates do you know who have been indicted or died or been killed under mysterious circumstances, who are in jail, i don't know that many people who are in jail. the insinuation was the clintons must be involved. ask yourself the same question of donald trump now. how many people in his orbit have been indicted at this point? >> that's true. >> the web is tangled. david? >> i was going to say i agree with matt. this playing out on a split screen almost. you have the special counsel investigation

sam nunberg has already testified and he was on this network today and offered this prediction. >> ultimately mueller wants to indict -- >> let's bring in our lead off panels on a friday night. our encounter intelligence who have worked for robert mueller, ken vogel and white house reporter for politico who has been busy today, annie, for reasons we'll get to. frank, what do you make and more importantly what will robert mueller and his team make of the president's co-counsel on the radio today? >> there is only one conclusion that i am able to draw from this onslaught of the last several days of public appearance of two guys posti guys posing as lawyers and trying to get some air time. why do i say that? this is becoming an all out preparation of the battleground for the public minds and hearts in anticipation of what they seemed to believe are going to be article for impeachment. there is no other way to explain how they're taking air ways and doing all of this and the issue of entities allowing partisan political hacks to take over the air waves as we are several weeks away from midterm el

from anyone around you, ciancia- we see same agreement litigated some time ago sam nunberg. and president nominee got into a bit of an argument. that within to a settlement, i expect this will as well. liz: this is a roll out involved in roll out for her book. we have been here before with michael wolff's book and james comey's book, there is a lot of build up. and you know people don't talk about the books any more. the question is, we'll go again through president's you know the criticisms about his dishonesty, his racism then it goes away. with this filing, does this keep this story in the headlines? >> i think it does for a while, i don't care. i have wasted so much time talking about omarosa manigault newman, i never spoke about omarosa this were as the last couple of days the entire campaign, i tried to avoid her during the campaign, all i had to do to avoid her is stay close to where the work was. she was never around dnot do much, and she what she was doing was detrimen detrimental on cam. liz: why. >> i just think they were friends, they were not good friends, frank

organizations i'll just say at the vanity fair report is getting enough traction for it to be addressed by sam nunberg, the roger stone acolyte who appeared a few hours on this network. he's already got a source lined up. >> i think kelly, by the way, is one of the people actually prodding the president to try to arrest him. they think it's a national security violation. >> so that would be general now chief of staff kelly, the first person wronged in the public playing of these recordings, let's not forget, in the meeting in the situation room. and ashley, you get to cover this place tomorrow. >> i do. and i think that's sort of a key example why this is problematic for the white house. to john's point i should say on the one hand i checked in with someone who worked on the campaign today and said how likely is it that if there was something illegal or something that would actually be of interest to mueller's team that omarosa saw it and taped it, and this person said their sense, and they don't know, was not that likely. she was rarely in trump tower often during the campaign. she was often not work

sam nunberg. you know this orbit. tell us who allen weisselberg is. >> allen as far as i know has been with the president, the trump organization since the '70s. since it was even based in brooklyn, i believe. i think allen even knew fred trump, donald trump's father. every single expense or invoice would either go through -- for me, let's say, i would bring it to donald trump to sign and then bring it to allen. anything in terms of budgeting i had to deal with, allen was a part of. but what i would also say is everything i ever saw -- i was asked about this early on in my voluntary -- allen's name was never mentioned in my grand jury testimony. everything i saw was legal and on the up and up. in fact, the president would frequently, when they were doing a business transaction or something, would comment to his attorneys to make sure he wasn't going to have to deal with any fines or anything like that. with that said, this was very surprising when i heard about the subpoena a couple of weeks ago. i think the only reas

it seems like and sam nunberg will tell you this, it seems like they are targeting stone and he could potentially be a lynch pin. is that making too broad an assumption? >> this is why i love your reporting on this. but it doesn't seem that hard to connect that we know from indictments that have already been brought forward by the special counsel that robert mueller is interested in and honing in on this network of russians that wanted to influence our campaign through social media. they wanted to hack into the dnc, hillary clinton e-mails and use that information to also influence our election. and a huge piece of this is social media and the work they did through cambridge, as well as the leaks of those hacks they just talked about through wikileaks. roger stone has a lot of tentacles in those different worlds. he was very closely tied to the trump campaign. we have to look across the way they're painting these characters, the same way they are talking about paul manafort and trial. these are people who have been in republican poll tiitics for time. but they haven't been carrying th

sam nunberg said that donald trump will never resign the office of the presidency, even if they go afterhis children. we can only wait to see how it turns out. >> zerlina, joe, rick, thank you so much. look forward to doing this again. >> in just a moment we will return to arizona where an honor guard pays its respects to senator mccain. can be relentless. tremfya® is for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i'm ready. with tremfya®, you can get clearer. and stay clearer. in fact, most patients who saw 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks stayed clearer through 48 weeks. tremfya® works better than humira® at providing clearer skin, and more patients were symptom free with tremfya®. tremfya® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections. before treatment, your doctor should check you for infections and tuberculosis. tell your doctor if you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. before starting tremfya® tell your doctor if you plan to or have recently received a vaccine. ask your doctor about tremf

senior adviser to steve bannon, an associate of roger stone, who testified before the grand jury, sam nunberghere. let's talk about andrew miller. what does miller know, do you think, that robert mueller would be interested in? >> i think robert mueller is looking at stone now because this is very legitimate. he has to figure out there are so many stories out there, what was roger's connection to assua assuage, if there was one. somebody that's critical is andrew, would be randy. andrew has controlled roger's schedule. he is young but a cfo type. he is organized, a ceo type. he does operations. something along those lines. he is like an adopted son to roger. >> you testified before the grand jury. andrew, he is fighting the subpoena. what would you tell him to do? >> he is fighting the subpoena on a very important issue that we in conservative legal circles have been interested in. there's a wall street journal editorial about it. it deals with the appointment kla clause. we are going over, why hasn't he, under the constitution, followed he had to get nominated by the senate. >> he think he s

. >> yesterday when i asked former trump political advisor sam nunberg who's part of bannon's new groupether bannon is back in touch with the president, sam said he did not know. we will see what bannon says tonight about that and a whole lot more. you can see the exclusive interview with steve bannon tonight at 10:00 right here on msnbc. we will be right back. >>> welcome back. everyone loves a parade. that is a parade that doesn't cost as much as $92 million. and so with a soaring price tag, president trump pulled the plug on the military parade he want wanted so badly for this fall. who did he blame? the city that would host the parade, tweeting the local politicians who run washington, d.c., poorly, know a windfall when they see it. when asked to giff us a price for holding a great celebratory military parade, they wanted a number so ridiculously high that i circled it. washington, d.c.'s mayor responded with her own tweet. yep, i'm muriel bowser, mayor of washington, d.c. the local politician who finally got through to the reality star in the white house with the realities, $21.6 m

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sam nunberg, former trump campaign adviser linked to roger stone, has already testified before a mueller grand jury. he was on this network earlier today and offered this prediction. >> ultimately mueller wants to indict roger. i think that this indictment he's going to have a very splashy sexy charge, conspiracy to defraud, something to do with hacking of the e-mails. >> let's bring in our leadoff panel on a friday night. frank figluzzi former fbi assistant director for counterintelligence who in the past has worked for robert mueller. ken vogel, political reporter for the "new york times," who has not. and andy carney, white house reporter for politicalo, who has been busy today for reasons we will get to. so frank, let's begin with you. what do you make, and more importantly what will robert mueller and his team make of the president's co-counsel on the radio today? >> there is only one conclusion that i am able to draw from this onslaught now in the last several days of just public appearances by two guys posing as lawyers, trying to get their client some air time. and that is that t

sam nunberg may be on tv for no apparent strategic reason. differ, and you have to apply a careful filter when you hear what the people are saying. >> we have this spread in "vogue" with the leibovitz photos. you have juicy details about daniels making an unflattering comment about the relationship, let's call it, that she had with the president. john, this battle that is so much outside of the courtroom and less inside of the courtroom, do you ascribe to what rudy giuliani has said, that this is about the public, about winning over the public? we used to just talk about in the narrow lane of trying to influence a jury. is there something larger at play here that's important? >> lawyers are on tv now all the time. i think three things are important. one, they have to do it to advance their client's cause. second, it has to -- >> opposed to their own. >> exactly. not just chatting on tv. second, it has to be part of an overall litigation strategy, legal strategy. your statements to the press have to be consistent. third, do not harm. you can't

perhaps there is something to be had about the corroboration of sam nunberg, who said that he told him he was talking to julian assange, was with him at different points in time. so perhaps she could give him information about that particular aspect of it. >> but then stone said he was just puffing when he was talking to nunberg, and nunberg says that could be true. so how do you see the decision to have kristin davis on the stand? >> i see the decision as one that's a comprehensive investigation to not leave any stone -- forgive the pun -- unturned because you have -- >> it's a good pun by the way. >> i thought so. you have to have good corroboration about things like that. you can't take everyone's word for it if credibility is a factor here. >> schultz, let's come in on this. the idea is how tenuous are you going to get? you haven't called stone. if you want to know, call stone. but they're calling people around him. how far away from somebody, how small a role can somebody play in someone's life and still get called before a grand jury? >> look, they are clearly looking at the peop

take a listen to sam nunberg who talked about the mueller question. he's been inside that room. >> i was in there for around like five to six hours. and there could have -- a lot of it had to do specifically with michael. and the fact that they then -- they put out michael's case to the southern district meant to me that they didn't really believe that michael had anything of value. >> nick, your view? >> my view is that michael cohen is cooperating with mueller and he's cooperating with the southern district. the plea that he entered into, that plea agreement was exactly the same plea agreement that i did with a client about a summer ago where there was also contemporaneous cooperation agreement that was put under seal at the same time in the judge's chambers. i think the same thing is going on here. there's no way that cohen would take a six-year exposure that the entire allocution in the plea agreement would be tailored the way it was unless it was being orchestrated by the mueller team. on top of all that, you also had this odd situation in the la

sam nunberg, anna schechter, clint watts. stay tuned. john flannery, we have more questions for you basil breaking news in the paul manafort trial as we said up top. the court was scheduled to reconvene a couple minutes ago after an abrupt and unexpected recess this morning. the prosecution was expected to rest its case today, but then judge t.s. ellis halted proceedings and ordered the jury to return at 1:45. it is now 2:12. we are waiting for an up jat from our reporters in the courtroom. john, given your experience in matters like these, what's going on in your estimation? why would a judge halt proceedings so abruptly? >> well, there are two paths here. one is what was said by the judge in court as reported. there was a 15-minute recess in which they talked with both defense and prosecution on a sidebar with white sound being pumped through the courtroom. and then he said that he had to take two hours. he being the judge, judge ellis. he said that he had other matters pending that he had to take care of. that didn't sound true to me

sam nunberg was on earlier, he was brought into the grand jury and they asked him, tell me every single person roger stone has ever worked with, so this is a broad inquiry. >> what would she have in particular that robert mueller might be really interested in? >> she's crucial, because she worked as his assistant. so she would take dictated e-mails and send them from her own e-mail account, but roger stone's words to his various associates. so she was in direct contact with his associates. she kept his schedule. you had to get to him, you had to go through her so you had to call her and set up a meeting. she would set it up. she was often there taking notes. in fact someone described to me roger stone would be pacing around his small apartment, and she would be on the computer taking his dictations. that's the kind of relationship they had. also they're extremely close friends. so he's probably shared a lot with her. >> and what would andrew miller know, and why would he say no to a subpoena? why would he risk that? >> she's actually a key figure we're learning. kristin told me andrew m

sam nunberg, michael caputo were also questioned by the mueller team about him. >> it appears that they're trying to get a very tight timeline on his activities, his contacts with guccifer 2, to find out what his relationship may or may not have been. to either exonerate him or find to press him to admit whatever role he may or may not have had. so, yes, a lot of his associates, much to his chagrin, are being questioned as well as his relationship with other people. >> professor dershowitz, we know the special counsel's team hasn't talked to roger stone yet. is this typically the way works, get all the information from people around someone and then call them in? >> without a doubt. you always want to know the answers to the questions you're going to ask before you call somebody in. you don't want any surprises. it's rare that interviewing somebody like stone would be for purposes of gathering information. it's for purposes of validating information you've already got from others and perhaps, and this is always speculative, trying to squeeze him by getting him to say something that's untru

so it was miller, sam nunberg, kristin davis, and we are waiting. >> got it. >> but they may not interview him at all if they perceive him or they classify him as a target. to be fair, that's a very fluid definition. anyone at the doj will tell you it's a very informal term. it's something defense attorneys always want to know whether you are a target, subject, or witness. if he is a target and they think that he may be charged with something, it's possible they may never ask him to testify. >> anna schechter, danny cevallos, thank you for rushing in and sorting this out with us. let's go back to our top story. donald trump at odds with our -- with his intelligence agencies. our big question, can our intelligence agencies keep our elections safe without the president's help? back with me after that brief enter, i want to start with you, jonathan. the president yesterday, we were told by sarah huckabee sanders, was the one who told his intelligence chiefs to take the podium at the white house briefing and make those announcements. it's kind of hard to swallow that he did that if he's only h

five total, andrew miller, you mentioned another one, sam nunberg, michael caputo, your pan to the wikileaksnder julian julian assange. all of them are on there. you're the un named american mentioned of five russian intelligence officers. why, roger, do you think mueller's interest in you has seemed to grow? it's person after person after person all of whom have one thing in common and that is they are associates of yours. >> because this is a politically motivated investigation. because i am the conservatives that liberals unfortunately love to hate because i think i was very effective in my advocacy and my efforts to elect donald trump. but at the same time, and not all of those people have testified yet, but none of those individuals have any evidence or proof or can say truthfully that i was involved in russian collusion, again, any trafficking of allegedly hacked e-mails with wikileaks or any other illegality pertaining to the 2016 election. that is a dead end. if the government wants to bring a charge without evidence, that's certainly possible. i think we understand that a slick pros

people around him, even people who are relatively attenuated like the manhattan madam who is not sam nunberg, not people who work more closely with him. it's a big group now. so, again, if you're painting that picture, you've got to be -- stone himself thinks he's going to get indicted. he's probably going to get indicted. >> thank you for spending time with us starting us off. when we come back the president who promised to hire the very best people seems to hire the biggest liars. we'll show you the greatest trump ally going down today for lying to federal investigators. >>> also ahead, the manafort defense team may have a distinct advantage. the judge. new questions about the startling role the judge is playing in the trial of the president's former campaign chairman. >>> and blue wave rising. how last night's results may predict a wipe out for republicans in districts that have never been in danger for the gop before. stay with us. alice is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread to other parts of her body. she's also taking prescription ibrance with

ahead, i'm going to talk to michael cohen associate sam nunberg live right here on "the beat" about cohen'so says all remedies should be on the able, including possible indictment of the president. but we want to start with the jaw-dropping new defense from donald trump's allies. first, it was truth isn't truth, you may remember that one. today it's crimes aren't crimes. >> believe that michael cohen pled guilt

the growing present for he was accused of hush payments by its former personal lawyer we spoke to sam nunberg a little bit earlier former come campaign sorry trump campaign adviser now working to stave bannan actually he says the november midterm elections could be make or break for the u.s. president in terms of whether or not that this whether or not this is an actual violation remember michael cohn supplied guilty to eight charges yesterday six of them involved his personal finances tax fraud bank loan fraud and and so i than other financial impropriety then he pled guilty to two separate ones. this issue is fine and if it's a crime it's a crime but ultimately it goes to the political argument of whether or not the president should be impeached and i don't think that this is an impeachable offense one way or the other ultimately we're going to find out where this goes on this midterm you know this midterm as steve benen has said is essentially donald trump's first reelect because if the president if excuse me if the republicans lose their majority in the house and the democrats control the