not so -- or was going to do that and congress said shot so fast -- not so fast led by democrat sam nunn, i got very involved with at the time it was called campaign for military service, later became sldn, and did a number of speaking engagements to tell people here's what it's like living under this ban. when don't ask, don't tell was passed, the pitched as a compromise. it was a compromise to keep congress from passing a law banning gays and lesbians from serving altogether. >> right. >> but we knew -- we didn't know how bad it would be, but there was a general feeling that they will find ways around don't ask, and they will continue to kick people out, and that actually was borne out. so we knew we'd lost, yeah. >> wow. >> does that answer your question? >> it does, thank you. >> any more? [laughter] >> one more question? >> yeah. one more question from the audience or -- any concluding thoughts from our panel, anyone want to pipe in? anything i didn't ask? sure, one more. >> [inaudible] >> hi, i'm jodi. i just have a question about the number of gay and lesbian people in the militar

know, kept his promise signing an executive order and congress, congress had not so fast, led by sam nunn. i got very involved with at the time called camp for military service, and did a number of speaking engagements to tell people here's what it's like living under this ban. when don't ask, don't tell was past it was pitched as a compromise. it was a compromise to keep congress from passing a law banning gays and lesbians from serving altogether. but we knew -- we didn't have bad it would be, but there was a general feeling that they will find ways around him and ask and they will continue to kick people out, and that actually was borne out. so we knew we lost. >> does that answer your questions because it does, thank you. >> anymore? [laughter] >> any concluding thoughts? anything i didn't ask? >> sure, one more. >> i just had a question about the number of gay and lesbian people in the military. do you think, like what is your supposition? >> recent estimates take it at about 66,000, approximate 2.2%. >> out of how many servicepeople? >> it is 2.2%, so whatever the map is. >> you're