lyndon johnson talking to sam rayburn and sam rayburn was saying... lyndon was saying he'd been to his first cabinet meeting and he met robert mcnara and he went to sam rayburn and said "the smartest one there is the guy with the comb in his hair. he's smart." and sam rayburn said "i just one time wish he had run for dogcatcher." so politics matter and the capacity to understand where america is and how you can influence america and move it. but that's also what we expect from our best presidents, the pacity to use leadership to bring the people to demand policy reversals and policy change. i'll leave it at that. thank you. >> i was going to say, charlie, that what i've learned from this aside from some really, really art analysis by smart speak that i'm going to have to run for dog catch sore fareed n never accuse me again of being a professor who's never run for dogcatcher. >> i was trying to put anymore the company of sam rayburn when i hold that story. >> i areciate that! >> rose: thank you. pleasure. back in a moment. stay with us. we'll talk abo

. >> pelley: we're sitting in the rayburn building named for sam rayburn who was speaker of the housen mr. sam told the caucus how to vote, that's how they voted. that is the way the leadership was. it is not that way any more. >> but you know, we're here to clean up the mess that plane of these career politicians have been piling up on the american people. >> this is not the real world. washington is not the real world. the real world is where you don't spend more than you take in. we do need to get to the real world. >> the majority -- >> let me describe the real world that i see. the real world are the seniors that are calling my office sobbing because they cannot live without a social security check. that yes, might not go out if we don't do this. >> what we are seeing in this interview is the reason why so many people hate congress. because all these folks want this to pass. but they don't want to vote for it. it's time to show responsibility. >> i think there's a failure to recognize how we got into this situation. and a deliberate attempt to ignore the fact that it was tax cuts