still with us, sam stein and tarini parti. sam, it's on us if we ever left the topic of gun violence fade into the background. one of the few, sadly, anticipatable things i can say to you is we are days away from the next act of mass gun violence in this country. it's just become that, sadly, predictable. the candidates are banging around on the road trying to break out of the numbers they're in. do the democrats see a way forward on this issue that advances the debate, gets us closer perhaps to legislation, and helps winnow down the field of democrats? >> the short answer is no. legislatively everyone is just sort of waiting and waiting to see what president trump will support. if you remember it was a couple weeks ago that he gave an indication to three critical senators that an endorsement of some sort of magnitude was coming in 48 hours, obviously never came, and we're left to sort of pick up parcels about what's happening, including random conversations he's having with officials at the nra. brian, you're absolutely right,

sam stein, politics editor of the daily beast and msnbc political analyst. sam, that feeling of the dam breaking. we were talking about michael -- mike mckinley, who was one of pompeo's senior advisers. he quit. he just resigned from the state department last week. it wasn't clear whether that was a principled resignation of some kind, a protest resignation, but here he is very quickly agreeing to go under oath to the investigating committees. >> yeah, and the sense you get from talking to people on the hill is that there's a number of people who are in the administration who may not be trump loyalists, per se, who recognize where this story is going and how it's unfolding and don't want to be a part of it, or at least want to get their side out. i think part of this is a bit of savvy on how the impeachment investigators have handled this. you mentioned this in your last block, but not releasing the transcripts after the interviews are done so that potential witnesses don't know exactly what to say would compel someone to come forward to make sure that they g

jonathan lemire, sam stein, and joining our conversation, fomer u.s.aire mccaskill, senior writer of "politico," jake sherman, an msnbc contributor and senior political correspondent for the washington examiner david drucker. he's also a contributing writer at "vanity fair ". claire, i want to start with you as someone who sat in that body, the united states senate. what would you be thinking if you were not just a democratic senator but a republican senator watching the president yesterday? >> i think i'd be thinking about how the president's team is looking the other way rather than coming to his aid in assistance. you've got the vice president going what, me? no, i didn't know anything about them trying to smear his political opponent on an international stage. you've got pompeo not even admit egg w admiting he was on the call and now we've heard nothing but it was a perfect call there are was nothing wrong. those were to of his go-tos. he's got to be noticing this. so if you're a senator and you watch pence go, i didn't know anything about them try

>> he had to now admitting that would undermine the story and impeachment itself. >> what about sam stein, said he should have been more clear. shift did appear to lie in previously saying he had not spoken to ricky with whistleblower but if you care more about this than the amsoil substantive the whistleblower complaint then you are being a hack. cbs, abc didn't cover this on their newscast and if you only care about one side you're being a hack. >> this is evidence of how careful democrats have to be. shift came back and said my staff did speak with him. he never knew who the whistleblower was, only knew the allegations and they followed the laid out procedure that house and senate democrats and republicans use but adam shift had to be careful they don't give an inch. the president will jump all over it if there's the slightest perception of doing anything that is not -- >> the house chairman that is a falsehood, the media should jump all over but interestingly new york times broke the story prompting rare words of praise from the president. >> i hate to say it, the new york times, can'

yamiche alcindor and sam stein join me. sam, first to you, these poll numbers, the president's approval rating is steady as you go at 41%, 57% disapprove. >> as dramatic and chaotic as the presidency always is, it's always remarkably steady, always high 30s, low 40s approval and mid-50s, high 50 disapproval. the base hasn't completed abandoned him. i wouldn't want to be at 57% steady, they must be somewhat relieved. >> this is always the question, as to, yamiche, >> i think the democrats are lousy politicians with lousy policy. two things they have. their vicious and they stick together. they don't have mitt romney in their midst. republicans have to get tougher and fight. we have some great fighters but they have to get tougher and fight because the democrats are trying to hurt the republican party for the election. >> yamiche, it would be very surprising to the democratic caucus to be accused of sticking together and not fighting amongst themselves. >> it's pretty clear that the president is concerned at least that senator

eugene robinson, associate editor and pulitzer prize winning columnist for "washington post" and sam steintics editor of the "daily beast" is with us. they're both msnbc analysts. and, sam, the lindsey graham versus lindsey graham debate is the one i want to see. >> yeah, i mean, we both know, think everyone knows, that lindsey knows better than this, certainly having been involved in it 20 years ago he knows the particulars about the roprocess. what he's essentially saying is he wants the senate trial to be the house impeachment process. that's what he's saying. the question is why is he doing this? and that's sort of been the question throughout lindsay graham's conduct during the trump administration, why do this? to a degree, it's sacrificing of his reputation. to a degree, it's a sacrificing of his dignity. i'm not sure how far it gets him. i've talked to a bunch of people in and around the president's political orbit over the past couple days about how they feel this process is going and to a person, they think lindsey graham is letting them down. they don't care for pointless resolu

joining our conversation politics editor for "the daily beast" sam stein. it? >> i think to a large degree democratic leadership has read this to a pretty good degree. pelosi saying slow down, let's not do this for months upon months. but these things can go haywire obviously. i know from my reporting that yesterday democratic leadership including pelosi were talking about the difficulties that they may encounter in public forums. we've saw this already where the house judiciary committee tried to bring in high-profile witnesses and republican used procedures and stunts to essentially make them into political circuses. they want to figure on out a way to keep that from happening again. they know that this is a showcase. and so they are trying to devise a set of rules that will actually eliminate of republicans to actually do those types of stunts. we know that republicans are eager to do disruptive behave are yo. we saw them storming the skiff. so i think this is a very delicate situation. a highly different than what we have had in the past couple weeks wh

adam schiff has acknowledged so sam stein the questioner there, that was a regrettable lapse on his part because, in fact, his office, an aide to schiff did speak to the whistleblower, but it's important to point out the sequence here and, in fact, there is no evidence that adam schiff orchestrated this complaint. here's what happened. this person, a cia officer, had conveyed his complaints to the cia general counsel through a colleague. but then became concerned because the cia general counsel alerted the white house. he went as many intelligence officers do routinely to the oversight committee, house intelligence committee, adam schiff's office, and described in vague terms, we're told, the nature of his complaint and the staff told him what they tell other people who come forward to them. go to the inspector general. you may want to hire a lawyer but file a formal complaint with the inspector general of the intelligence committee and it will get to us. that's exactly what happened and the result of this, though, hallie, when adam schiff and other members of congress learned that the i

but as sam stein at the daily beast and many others have pointed out...t donald trump asked the ukrainian president to investigate joe biden during a phone call injuly. here he is earlier. china should start an investigation into the bidens. because happened to china is just about as bad as what happened with... with ukraine. president zelinski, if it were me, i recommend that they start an investigation into the bidens because nobody has any doubt that they were not crooked. joe biden's campaign has responded... trump and his allies claim that whenjoe biden was vice—president he abused his power to pressure ukraine to back away from a criminal investigation that could implicate his son hunter, who worked for a ukrainian energy company. but these allegations have been widely discredited. there is no evidence that joe biden took any action to intentionally benefit his son, nor is there any evidence of wrongdoing by hunter biden. as for the china allegations, anthony zurcher is in washington for us. these china allegations centre around 2013 trip thatjoe bi

>> it's sam stein here.rgument noting, among other things, that democratic officials were asking ukrainian officials to not interfere with the mueller probe. i don't think those are apples to apples, but it is what it is. i'm sort of curious, there's been this push by the white house for senate republicans -- not the white house, but trump world people for senate republicans to hold hearings of their own and to call favaborab witnesses that could testify to what was burisma doing, why was hunter biden on the board. do you think those are -- that's a smart tactical move to hold your own hearings in the senate where you control the committees or does that have a risk of back firing because you publicize this and the minority would be able to call witnesses of their own? >> i'm not sure that's the kind of counterprogramming that republicans and senate leadership is interested in hosting. the reality is that it sort of creates a little bit of an us versus them rather than focusing on whatever inquiry's happening

msnbc, adam schiff went on morning show, lied through his teeth, he was asked, by intervideoer sam stein you heard from the whistleblower. >> we've not spoken directly with the whistleblower, we would like to, a lie. we have other things going on with this committee, they heard testimony of the former u.s. special envoy for ukraine volcker, they have cherry picked his text-message, push them to media, media happily reporting them saying this proves this is a quid pro quo, the committee demand that schiff releases entire transcript, his testimony undermines nair thi narrative ta have budge been pushing out, am, the same democrat who want grand jury information with the mueller report will not give us deposition print is know vo envr kirk volcker, there are no excused. give the american people all the information. you see how different this is. from the clinton, from the nixon and the johnson proceedings, it totally different. now look at what i have here. transcripts of the phone call. this is it. this is the transcript of the phone call. this is what the controversy is about. how did we

. >> reporter: he called sam stein and if you care more about this stuff than the actual substance of the whistleblower complaint then you're being a hack. the president in a rare move praised the paper the rulership story. >> i hate to say the new york times, a lot of respect for the new york times putting it out. >> the news cycle is stuck on hyper speed, hour after hour, anti-trump scoops and stinging presidential attacks but these subplots are making the drama harder to follow. >> thank you. the more we learn about the whistleblower story the more questions arise for adam schiff. the washington post calling him a liar, will credibility hamper democrats efforts are not? to bring in johnny jones, welcome, gentlemen. washington post giving it four pinocchios its highest you lied rating saying this is false, claims that schiff had not been in touch with the whistleblower. he said the committee had not spoken to the whistleblower. now we know that's not true. the phoenician he was not sure it was the same whistleblower especially screams critic betty. >> adam schiff is in charge of one

. >> schiff called sam stein and tweeted if you care more about this stuff than the actual substance of the whistle-blower complaint, then you are being a hack. the president in a rare move praised the paper who broke the schiff story. >> i get a lot of respect to "the new york times" putting it out. >> the news cycle seems to be on hyper-speed, completing potential attacks. but these subplots are making the drama harder to follow which could damage the democrats' desire for a clear-cut narrative. >> bret: you can catch fox news' media buzz sunday 11:00 a.m. eastern. advisor to the president and daughter ivanka trump spoke with fox business about the impeachment inquiry over her father paid she did not offer any direct or specific response but said the attempts will not get in the way of what's importe white house. fighting for the american people. >> everything -- we have our priorities in the white house, we are fighting every day for the american worker. we are fighting everyday to improve the quality of life for every single person in this country and we are delivering. in that f

finally, we've got "huffington post" reporter sam stein running some interference today for adam schiff. >> >> obviously we now know that there was a approached his staff but there is not 100% certainty that there was who approach the staff is not the same one behind the complaint. >> laura: he wasn't forthcoming, tammy. there never is a but when they're republicans are screwing up. >> that segment, i have to hand it to him. i'm sure he doesn't play poker. he looked very uncomfortable ensuring that lying. it is so absurd. we weren't sure who it was. maybe it was casper the friendly ghost. you really don't know -- who knows who it was quick to make a could've been anyone, maybe it was who delivers the bagels. it's the absurdity and what it tells you, laura, they know what they are doing is wrong, they know -- they might as well -- there might as well be a channel of democrat community fans, whae doing it, they know it's not correct and they continue on anyway. they've ruined it, and industry, the latest gallup poll, by the way, the trust in media? people who have a great rest of trust of

bush white house, and sam stein, msnbc contributor, and neera tanden, you know hillary clinton betterthan any of us, that was quite an admission. >> i think she was being very candid. i actually worked for hillary during the last impeachment process and the whole monica lewinsky scandal. it was a very, very painful process for her. i could see how much it deeply, deeply wounded her. it's an honest statement. >> and sam, the role of hillary clinton, the arc of her life politically as well, democrats have been trying to avoid talking about 2016, and she's come out with a new book with daughter chelsea, a book about women's experience, it's completely nonpolitical but inevitably she'll be asked about this. >> i've heard some rumblings about why is she emerging on the stage. i find it to be ridiculous, to be honest. she's former secretary of state, former presidential candidate. if anyone can speak to what it's like to be targeted by russian disinformation campaigns, it's her. her talking about her marriage in those tones adds an element to our discourse around not "me too" necessarily bu

sam stein tweets contributes to the msnbc at the beach, he appeared to lie previously saying his office had not spoken directly with the whistleblower. if you care more about this than the substance of the whistleblower complaint you are being a hack. what do you think? >> adam schiff has a credible the problem and he made it worse but before we talk about today let's talk about last week where in unofficial hearing he made stuff up out of thin air, fabricated the supposedly conversation -- unsurprised someone didn't say to him maybe it is not a good idea to make stuff up. let's remember for two years he has been claiming a supersecret highly classified information only he had apparently and that there was collusion and we know that is not true. we know from some of the revelations today he knew the essence of this whistleblower complaint and wasn't honest how he answered these questions. he should have come and discussed the witness but he pretended he didn't know while at the same time pretending to open his investigation he supposedly knew nothing about. there are questions the chair

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he was asked by interviewers sam stein have you heard from the whistle-blower, with do you want to hearhe whistle-blower, quote, we have not spoken directly with the whistle-blower we would like to shift said. a flat out lie. we have other things going on with this committee, for instance they heard the testimony of the former u.s. special for the ukraine and they have cherry picked his text messages pushed them out to the media the media happily reported them. saying this proves there was a quid pro quo, when the republicans in the committee have demanded that shift release the entire transcript. that, in fact, his testimony ten to ten and a half hours -- underminds the narrative that the democrats in the media have been pushing out with respect to the president of the united states and the quid pro quo. amazing to me. the same democrats who want a grand jury information when had it comes to the mol per the report won't give us a deposition transcript when it come to this envoy and if they can redact it out give the american people all of the information. you see how different this is,

for more i'm joined by sam stein, and ron reagan. i've been waiting all day for this.do you make of a guy that won't read anything that doesn't make him pubeautiful and powerf? >> the donald trumps of the world are terrified by people like you and sam and all the fine reports of "the washington post" and "the new york times." this is page right out of the tyrants play book. you need to control information. you can't have the truth just widely dispensed out there for anybody to have access to. you have to put people in your own personal little bubble where you make the reality and you decide what truth is. and that's what he's doing. >> you know, i once read that the official government newspaper beats the -- it began every single main bar story on the right-hand side from the top of the fold, the lion of judas. and it seems that's what trump wants, the lion of judah. >> who's going to write that for him? this is disturbing development i would say. it's comical in one sense because it's so silly and petty. but on the other hand, it's also what ron talked about, it's lik

sam stein tweets this, contributes to msnbc and "the daily beast." schiff appeared to lie in, previously sang the office had not spoken to the whistle-blower, but if you care more about the stuff in the actual substance of the whistle-blower complaint, then you are being hacked. what do you think, congressman? >> i think adam schiff has an enormous credibility problem, and made it worse today. before we talk about today, let's talk about last week. in an official hearing, he made stuff out of thin air. he just absolutely fabricated the supposed conversation. i'm surprised someone on his staff didn't go to him and say, mr. chairman, maybe it's not a good idea just to make stuff up. let's remember that for two years, he's been claiming some kind of supersecret, you know, highly classified information that only he had, apparently. said there was collusion. we now know that is not true. and we know from some of the revelations today that he clearly knew the essence of this whistle-blower complaint, and he just wasn't honest with how we answer these quest

to that, msnbc contributor sam stein added this context, tweeting, graham was among the first to spearhead the idea that the whistle-blower could not be trusted because the account was hearsay. now that someone on the call has come forward he says this is no different than dems asking ukraine to cooperate with mueller and here is how fox news handled the lieutenant colonel's account. >> but get this. this is buried in "the new york times" piece tonight. but i found it very interesting. he is a decorated colonel by the way in the iraq war. but because colonel vindman emigrated from ukraine along with his family when he was a child and is fluent in ukrainian and russian, ukrainian officials sought advice from him about how to deal with mr. giuliani though they typically communicated in english. now, wait a second. here we have a u.s. national security official, who is advising ukraine, while working inside the white house, apparently against the president's interests, and usually they spoke in english. isn't that kind of an interesting angle on this story? >> i find that astounding, and some

sam stein. and former rnc chairman michael steele.lus former assistant director for counter intelligence frank figliuzzi's here. i got to start with you, michael steele. i mean, what was that? >> that was what confusion, chaos, and trying to cover the president's backside with no talking points or no appropriate talking points or talking points that change every three minutes because the president has just tweeted something out that changes those talking points look like. when you're defending the indefensible, when you're asked a direct question, which is a very clear yes or no in the case of senator johnson, you, sir, made it clear in your interview with the "wall street journal" that you winced. so i'm asking you now why you winced when you heard what the president did with ukraine. and you cannot tell me now why you winced because he knows that if he told the truth about it, it would expose him with trump. and that's the last thing he wants. it still matters to all of the folks you saw on that screen that their relationship with t

. >> october 16th along with woil lee, joe and me, we're here on capitol hill, and we have sam stein and up in new york along with willie you saw mike barnicle is here along with senior adviser at moveon.org and msnbc contributor karine jean-pier jean-pierre. we're going to get to the latest on the impeachment inquiry. mike pence and rudy giuliani are among those refusing to hand over documents sought by congress, and the office of management and budget missed yesterday's deadline to turn over documents related to the d delay of military aid to ukraine. first, senator elizabeth warren's surge in the polls earned her the focus of the other candidates on the debate stage last night. attacked 16 times by our count, mostly by fellow senator amy klobuchar. it was mayor pete buttigieg who got it started when elizabeth warren refused to give a straight answer when asked if her medicare for all proposal would raise taxes on the middle cla class. >> a yes or no question that didn't get a yes or no answer. this is why people here in the midwest are so frustrated with washington in general and

. >> schiff called sam stein and tweeted if you care more about this stuff than the actual substance, the paper that broke the schiff story. >> i hate to say it's "the new york times," i can't believe they wrote it. a lot of respect for putting it out. >> the news cycle seems stuck on hyperspeed, hour after hour of scoops competing with presidential attacks. but these subproperty plots disturb subplots are making the damage harder to follow which could damage the desire for a clear cut narrative. leland: mead ya buz, 11 a.m. tomorrow. howie will have, there he is, president trump's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani, on to talk about the impeach. inquiry and what this could mean for the future of the trump presidency. stay tuned the. jillian: president trump promoting his plan to expand private medicare advantage as some democratic candidates are calling for a greater government role in health care. what it means for patient care and our senior, next. ♪ ♪ ♪ horsepower... ...is more horsepower. (engines rev) with dodge power dollars buy any challenger, charger, or durango and get ten bucks

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