anoint to him an attorney an interventionist and that was hillary clinton susan rice and samantha power samantha powerfamously writing a book saying that the u.s. had to be more active in stopping genocide around the world well but what happened 1st of all that turned out that the war was based on lies and all these wars are we weren't there to protect human rights and in fact e-mails that were leaked by weekend weeks later showed internal discussions where they were in it there was no human rights crisis certainly by the time we were bombing libya. meanwhile in us lied about a number of reasons for invading one of the law is the worst one. was that get off it was used in black commercial and they are used from an african states to carol's don't think well this turned out not to be true 1st of all i don't know why they had to be black but that with and for. but to it turned out they're being black mercenaries who are african guest workers that could be invited to work. in libya these were not mercenaries at all in fact amnesty international which initially had all disli were delayed or stayed there wa

samantha powers describes in a new op-ed in the "new york times," perhaps the worst thing that could happen would be the u.s. pulling everyone else down the wrong path. i'm joined by samantha power, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations in the obama administration. what's your concern right now about the role the u.s. is playing globally in terms of how the trump administration is dealing with the pandemic? >> well, first just the backdrop, which is that a lot of communities, a lot of countries in the world start with not a lot of safety nets, and so already just the toll that our economic shutdown, our pandemic in western countries is causing in developing countries is already massive in terms of jobs lost, farmers who have no place to send their produce because plights have ended or shipping prices have gone way up. you already have a sort of obliteration of economies in the developing world, and the pandemic is just starting to hit, and so, for example, a month ago in africa there were no reported cases. now there are 7,000. bill gates has warned that as many as 10 million people could be infected or could even die in africa. so you have this sort of looming. then you have the core fact that we the united states are longing to get back to normal, i mean, from want to leap to get back to normal before it is safe and when it is reckless to do so. but everybody wants to get back to normal, and how do we get back to normal when we are so connected either through trade, through the global supply chain, which runs to places like banglade bangladesh which have really crowded refugee camps that house an incredibly large informal economic sector, lots of really overpopulated city areas and an informal economy, again, that the bottom will fall out of it any day now. so you asked, i think your question was, you know, how is the united states faring, we go into the u.n. security council virtually or the g-7 and we want to fight about whether this is the wuhan virus or what to call it. we're not rolling up our sleeves and identifying a set of really different lines of effort that need to be pursued at once. every head of state in the world is focused on their own people right now. that goes without saying, but we've got to look just a little bit down the road in a way that we haven't up to this point, and that we have individuals who work for the united states government who will be working on domestic response and further preparedness or catching up for the lack of preparedness. we have a whole other crew of people who are capable of building a global coalition to share information, to take advantage of the staggered spread of the disease, to pull insights as it relates to the experimentation going on now around vaccines, and to pool resources for those countrys that will never have a $2 trillion bailout for their communities. south sudan has four ventilat s ventilators. in the united states we have 26 doctors for every 10,000 people. in africa there are three. and so when it comes to gloves and, you know, ventilators and protective equipment and so forth, the kinds of things we have scrambled to make available for our own health professionals, i completely get that the thought of thinking about other people is really hard when our own front line workers are struggling, but we've got to somehow build our manufacturing cycles or at least pay for others to do so so that those resources are made available or again, there will be a catastrophe and the day where we actually sort of get to return to the normalcy that we seek will be postponed even further than what the virus in the united states currently projects. >> yeah, i mean, it's interesting even if you take -- so take the moment the humanitarian concerns, which to me are the most pressing and morally urgent away and talk pragmatically. when you look to places like hong kong, they did a very good job of sort of tamping down the virus. now they have people coming into hong kong bringing it from elsewhere. there's no universe where this just stays where it is. if there's some terrible unrestrained pandemic in some part of the world, that's not staying there. we are all on the same planet as far as this virus is concerned. >> i think that's really true, the trump mind-set generally is so 18th century, you know, the notion that we can decouple from others, you know, that there were ever walls that could insulate us from this. i think, you know, he's not thinking about this at all, but were he thinking about it in his trump way, he would be thinking, we will just continue the travel restrictions or we won't, you know, allow people from that country into our country, but how then do we return to normalcy given how many of our manufacturing industries are dependent on parts coming from parts of the world that don't have the infrastructure to deal with this pandemic without our support. so you know, i think what's happening right now is that the united states is awal in terms of global leadership. china is in there bilaterally handing out supplies, some of which are defective, china has no experience for all of its clout and all of the ways it has asserted itself and filled the vacuum that the u.s. has left in the last four years with trump's arrival, it has no capacity to build the global coalition i'm talking about. this calls hustling, badgering people, calling outs governments that are staging cover-ups. china won't be in a great position to issue that, deliver that talking point so, you know, you need a combination of actors at t at the el at the helm and the u.s. and china need to be in relative partnership on this. >> samantha power, thank you so much for sharing some time tonight. >> thank you, chris. >>> next, the president's favorite network is peddling conspiracy theories and promises of miracle drugs. the danger of trump tv misinformation after this. it's kind of my quiet, alone time. audible is a routine for me. it's like a fun 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