first, you have to remember that if samora had not been killed, i wouldn't have married madiba.ne. second, if madiba had not divorced winnie, i wouldn't have married him. so the way circumstances, one, i think, with samora is we had that complete identity around the freedom of our people. we're both freedom fighters, and we really embraced completely the principles of what is the meaning of being in society and to give to your society. then he was killed, and i had about eight years after. that's when i met madiba -- much later. and i met madiba at a very particular time. he was very lonely -- very lonely, because it was after his divorce, and we started talking, and he discovered that despite my uberant personality, i was also lonely. so it was a meeting of two souls who had known, i mean, what it means to be in a marriage, but at the same time, they were lonely, and there were also many issues in which we were absolutely aligned -- the children issues being one of them, just to give an example -- one of them. so we started talking, and the meeting of souls then facilitated the