samuel alito and john roberts reflect the modern republican party. the polarization we see in congress we now see in the united states supreme court. so that to mean is the roberts court. it is a more conservative court than william rehnquist ever let. >> in your book, you describe john roberts is a radical. >> i do. the book is called "the oath" and it begins with the story of the botched oath that everybody remembers so well, but no one has told the story of why it was botched and that is why you open the book. and it is both a nature scene story on its own, but it also said that the protagonists, barack obama and john roberts. and the paradigm is that the man who claimed to be the candidate of change and the supreme court justice who claimed to be the baseball umpire who didn't want to change the rules have precisely reversed positions. it is obama who is trying to preserve what the court date and it is john roberts to is the radical trying to change the corporate. >> so why was the oath botched? >> well come at all against the misdirected e-mail.

behind citizens united, when you heard the president calling you out at the state of the union, samuel alito that characterized by shaking his head no. what was that like for you? >> my wife and i were at home watching it. to hear that you are being talked about by any president is pretty amazing. megyn: it is jaw-dropping, right? >> i had to watch it several times to realize that actually happened. [laughter] >> first, the hypocrisy of it all. he says for years that he's not going to participate in it, and then of course, they have a super pac. megyn: you have to have people. gentlemen, thank you both so much. we will be right back. are you receiving a payout from a legal settlement or annuity over 10 or even 20 years? call imperial structured settlements. the experts at imperial can convert your long-term payout into a lump sum of cash today. constipated? yeah. mm. some laxatives like dulcolax can cause cramps. but phillips' caplets don't. they have magnesium. for effective relief of occasional constipation. thanks. [ phillips' lady ] live the regular life. phillips'. megyn: a busy day on