to discuss, samuel sandy berger, former national security adviser to president clinton, the chair ofp. thank you very much, sandy. good to have you on the show. let's take one step backwards and use it as a pivot to where we go from here. pulling out of iraq, having no u.s. troops on the ground, a mistake and a mistake not to be repeated in afghanistan. do you agree? >> don't forget maliki didn't want us in iraq. >> but is that an excuse or is it an explanation? we hear from people that we could have made a deal there. john mccain says they did have a deal in place with joe lieberman and him working it, and it could have been done but that for political reasons back here at home, playing to the polls, they pulled out. >> i think that's a bit of hind sichlt maliki would not sign an agreement. he was playing his shia base. the fact is we didn't have a force there. i think we have to look at it from where we are at this point. >> politically now, what's the right move? we'll goat the obvious things. are you on the ground or not, do we have enough people? however, the headline, dealing w