the reverend samuel rodriguez is also speaking out against this practice. he isde pre of the national hispanic christian leadership ndnference, an ally and adviser to donald trump one of the few clergy chosen to speak at the president's inauguration 18 months ago. take a listen. >> god blesses those who are omor and realize their need for him, for the kinf heaven is theirs. god blesses those who mourn, for comforted.be >> so a little of the beatitudes from reverend rodriguez who joins me from sacramento, california. reverend t welcomeo the program. i want to first before we play you some of the devditating that's come out from the border, what in generalak you of what's happening there right now. >> this policy, the separation of families can best be described as morally reprehensible, anti-christian, and anti-american. it is cometely unnecessary, without a doubt. it is egregious, and we must find that expedited solution as expeditiouslyles poss we're calling upon congress to act this week. ted cruz and fefeinstein, john to bring an end to this trag horrifi

. >> now i want to bring in pastor samuel rodriguez. he delivered a prayer at the president's inauguration. so, reverend, good evening to you, welcome by the way. you signed a letter calling the president's practice of separating immigrants from their children as horrible. he is not going to change it. i'm hearing they're going to ramp it up because he thinks it good politically. and especially nor republicans come midterms. do you think he's capable of doing the right thing here? >> this policy is morally reprehensible, it's anti-american and nothing redemptive to it whatsoever. i would urge lawmakers to think about this carefully. when you have people like franklin graham that calls a strong conservative evangelical leader who called this policy horrific and wrong at every single level, that should prompt every single evangelical to stand upright and pay attention. there's nothing redemptive about this whatsoever. >> you've had several meetings to discuss comprehensive immigration reform. what was discussed? did they ever discuss sepa

. >> reverend samuel rodriguez, natalia, thank you very much. really appreciate it. >>> chris hayes, final thoughts here before we close out this hour. i've got to tell you, our guests were just talking about congress needing to do something. color me skeptical. house has the vote tomorrow. this is all issues of all issues that has bedevilled the congress. >> because of the brenner bill which would have criminalized all people who were in civil violation of the immigration laws on the may day protest, i believe it was 2006. you had millions take to the streets across the country. and here we are 12 years later, no comprehensive legislation passed. this idea that, you know, if you take the daca hostages you can jamb in a solution. if you take 2600 kids away from their parents that produces the solution. that has not worked. and i don't see it working this week. >> fair enough. and i'm not even sure how the two different chambers of congress get together at all on this. still unclear there's 218 votes in the house let alone any path forward in the