chea and samwphan are in their 80s. one was a right-hand man to pol pot and the other that served as head of state in that regime. now, the khmer rouge was responsible for one of the worst mass killings of the 20th century under communist leader pol pot, we just mentioned. they ruled cambodia from 1975 to 1979, only four years, but what they did, it is just astounding. the khmer rouge forced millions of people to work in labor camps. close to 2 million cambodians were killed or died from disease, malnutrition or overwork. vietnamese forced finally removed the khmer rouge from power in 1979. now, chea and samphan are the first and highest ranking regime leaders to face justice. khmer rouge leader pol pot died before he could be brought to justice in the courts. now, lars olson is a spokesperson for the extraordinary chambers in the courts of cambodia. that's what it's called, which just handed down the verdict. and he joins us now live from phnom penh. so thank you so much for talking with us. a lot of people looking at