. >> well, i started in ministry united church of christ, san fernando valley southern california and was there 18 years. during that time it was an innovative congregation and so we developed a large homeless shelter with of course with other partners and we did that, and then i began teaching at a state university three quarters time. i was doing all three projects and my wife finally said can't you find one and so i ended upcoming into pacific school religion the first time for 10years as a fund raiser and ended up as dean. >> okay. >> that was in the 90s to -- >> i began january 1st, 1993 the rest of the country was watching television and i was moving my belongings up. >> i see i came to dsr in the 60s. 68, and 73 and was president of alumna association, not the trustees i said earlier and made a mistake there so i did not know of your tenure here in the 90s. >> no. >> and then i went on the lancaster theological seminary 8 years as president there and then i have come back. i am a retread >> i think we were pleased and blessed to have you. we looked around the country for differ

. >> i started in ministry in the united church of christ in the san fernando valley in southern california and was there 18 years, but during that time it was a very innovative congregation and so we developed a large homeless shelter out of -- with of course other partners. >> mm-hmm. >> and we did that and then i began teaching at a state university, three quarters time. so i was doing all three projects. >> i see. >> my wife finally said can't you find one complex job. i ended upcoming to pacific school of religion for 10 years and fund raiser and ended up as the dean. >> that was in the 90s. >> i began january 1st, 1993 the rest of the country was watching television i was moving my belongings up. >> i came to psr in the 60s. 68 to about 73 and was president of the alumna association not trustees which i said earlier, i made a mistake there. i did not know your tenure here in the 90s. >> no and then i went on the lancaster theological seminary for 8 years as president and then i came black i am a retread -- came back i am a retread. >> we are blessed to have you we looked around the co