. >> in the 19 1970s his title was publisher of the san francisco examiner. >> he would come into the office and not be there every day. he would be working at the pauper and say i'm going to go duck hunting reminding us that he led a very different kind of life than the rest of us. >> the name hearst really meant something in america. it was synonymous with big media and outstanding over the top wealth. california held up any family as royalty, you'd have to say it was the hearsts. that made patty in her own little way a princess. >> patty's grandfather william randolph hearst owned dozens of newspapers. he didn't just own them. he used them for political and economic power. >> hearst was a larger than life figure. he was more than a businessman. he was a celebrity before there were celebrities. >> orr sonwells wrote and directed "citizen cane" as the life story of william randolph hearst. >>m mandi and katherine hears lived with their five daughters in hillsborough, a beautiful community on the e peninsula. >> randi treated patty of his five daughters the most like a son. beuse she

. >> february 4th, 1974, i was a young reporter at the "san francisco examiner."t night, i got a call patty hearst was kidnapped. that didn't make sense. what did they mean? >> police pulled bullets out of parked cars up and down the street and later found the empty get-away car stolen and abandon. police don't have a lot of leads but know the kidnapping was too well organized to be spur of the moment. >> shortly after the kidnapping, obviously, this was a big event, and it happened in berkley, berkley has a small police department, and they immediately made a notification to the bureau, and they staffed up with everything they had in order to solve this case. >> i was in the hospital just under a week. first time i saw randy and therine after i got out of the hospital of w they greeted me at their home. at the front door, i made a short statement. >> they said absolutely nothing. they were very militarmilitary,l planned, they said almost nothing to each other. >> the house almost seemed under siege. the front yard and the side yards were full of the media. >> onc

. >> so in 1974, i was a young reporter at the san francisco examiner. that night i got a call, patty hearst had been kidnapped. that just didn't make sense, what did they mean? >> police were digging bullets out of parked cars all up and down the street. they later found the empty getaway car, it had been stolen and abandoned. police don't have a whole lot of leads, but they know this kidnapping was too well organized to be spur of the moment. >> obviously this was a big event and it happened in berkeley, and the berkeley police department immediately made a notification to the bureau and the bureau put everything they had into trying to solve this case. >> i was in the hospital for just under a week. the first time i saw lorinda and catherine was at their home. i made a short statement. >> they said absolutely nothing, they were verymilitaryistic, they had a plan to say almost nothing to each other. >> the house almost seemed under siege. the front yard and the side yardser full of the media. >> once patty was kidnapped, the hearst home in hillsboro be

i was a young reporter at the "san francisco examiner." that night i got a call. patty hearst had been kidnapped. it just didn't make sense. what did they mean? >> today police were digging bullets out of parked cars all up and down the street. they later found the empty getaway car. it had been stolen and abandoned. police don't have a whole lot of leads, but they know this kidnapping was too well organized to be spur of the moment. >> shortly after the kidnapping, obviously, this was a big event, and it happened in berkeley. berkeley has a small police department. and they immediately made a notification to the bureau and then the bureau staffed up with everything that they had in order to try and solve this case. >> i was in the hospital for just under a week. the first time i saw randy and catherine after i got out of the hospital was they greeted me at their home. at the door i made a short statement. >> they said absolutely nothing. they were very militaristic. they had it planned to say almost nothing to each other. the house almost seemed under siege. the

as i mentioned in my article in the san francisco examiner, 40 new career pathways are examples of how we're actualizing vision 2025. the multiyear programs include fields like health, bio technology, digital media, game design, law, engineering, world music, education, public service and so, so much more. the showcase will be a chance to celebrate and learn from teachers, students and partners of our current pathways. middle school families, check out the great options available in high school, business industry or community partners. come join and find out how you can get involved with one or more of our pathways. hope to see everyone there. february 5-9 is national school counsellor week. we celebrate our school counsellors for their unique contributions to schools. school counsellors help prepare our graduates to live, thrive and succeed. they help with them with career, social, emotional development. counsellors collaborate with teachers and other educators to explore their potential and develop the skills, capacities and dispositions from the 21st century success. they collaborat

according to the debora villalon -- san francisco examiner , they're going to get a bike medic programirport will pay december cisco department for a service that could start as soon as next month.>>> hawaiian airlines abruptly canceled and changed hundreds of flights, schedule between the the area and hawaii. the changes affect new flights that were supposed to launch in may from oakland to kona and temperatures go to honolulu. it is due to delays in the delivery of its new aircraft. hawaiians say all passengers -- line airlines say all passengers who booked will be notified and booked another flight.>>> time now for a check of the forecast with meteorologist, mark tamayo . it feels like today, there is a change on top.>> grab the umbrella as you head it on standby. at least tomorrow you can go out and enjoyed the day. dry weather pattern for the second half of the weekend. eventually, a storm truck paying a visit. the big theme has been the cold temperatures. we have chilly overnight temperatures. down into the 20s in a few spots. oakland airport, mountain view, napa, livermore and m

that you have in this exhibition space and thanks for helping san francisco stay safe >> (clapping.) >> in san francisco the medical examiner performs the function of investigating medical and legal that occurs with the city and county of san francisco from a variety of circumstances in san francisco there is approximately 5 thousand deaths annually i'm christopher director for the chief mr. chairman the chief my best testimony a at the hall of justice on 870 drooint street that is dramatically updated and not sufficient for the medical chairman facility i've charles program manager public works should a earthquake of a major are proportion occurs we'll not continue to perform the services or otherwise inhabit the building before the earthquake. >> we're in a facility that was designs for a department that functions and in the mid 60s and friends scientific has significantly changed we've had significant problems with storage capacity for evidence items of property and also personal protective if you're doing a job on a daily basis current little storage for prirjs are frirnlsz we're in an aging facility the total project c

college student named patricia hearst because they had read her engagement announcement in the san francisco examiner. >> during the months and months before we were ever introduced to the members of the sla, they had been acquiring intelligence on potential local targets, including maybe a couple news articles announcing patricia's betrothal to steven weed. articles didn't say where she lived, but they gave enough information to easily find it out. the decision to kidnap patricia hearst was the direct result of joe and russ's arrest. we had to do it as a matter of principle. possibly worked toward in exchange, it also was a result of our general politics and who we targeted in our minds as being enemies of the people. we had already determined that hearst was a particular easy target, and that the propaganda that could be generated from it was perfect. >> bill and emily and angela came out of the theater program at indiana university. and this was a time when theater had a very political component. it was known as guerrilla theater. and they believed in using theater, in using propaganda as a way of

well, the san francisco examiner at the time was asked to disclose the names of his finance committee, and he declined, saying there's no requirement that he disclose who is on his finance committee. that's one example. the second thing is the issue of whether or not your influencing people is easily tied to whether or not you've hired a lobbyist or an advocate on an issue. it's not just about a financial issue. it's also about appointments to commissions. it's about policies like where is the bus lane going to go. these are not direct financial things. if you go on to the ethics web page, the list of lobbyists, to see what they're contacting city officials about, it is not about the things that have direct interest. this is the second time that we have something before the commission that was not significantly road tested and does not relate to what's going on with the city. if you can't match the reality of what the public faces with what you're getting from your staff, it won't be efficient. >> since we're talking about lobbying or lobbyists and lobby registration, that we might wa

she was a reporter for the san francisco examiner when the publisher's daughter, patty hearst, was kidnappede us back to, you know, patty's arrest, after 19 months on the run. >> it was pretty remarkable. i mean, with the whole country, the whole world saw, you know, that she was in handcuffs, but she raised her fists up and had a big smile, you know. the fbi captured her, but they didn't get patty hearst back. what they got, initially, was tanya, which was the name that she had the given herself when she joined the sla. it was a very dramatic moment. not quite the end of the story, though, as you see in the series, because then there was the trial and everything else that transpired. >> wow. and so, what was it like, this experience of, you know, being a journalist, you're covering it, but the same time, you're also experiencing the reaction from the public, the confusion from everyone, you know, from, is she a victim was she complicit or what? that must have been a very difficult thing to balance in your reporting. >> it wasn't so much difficult -- it wasn't difficult because we were just

a calmness from the san francisco examiner. know what it meant all these people kept captive all those years behind the iron captain. i asked each of them i approach what's freedom mean to you? from some, i want the freedom to earn what i've worked for and not be forced to do something because i'm told to. a nurse told me how her hospital had been losing people like her, thousands fled to a freer life in the west. finally i heard the voice of history. this is freiheit a young man told me talking to you. he was telling me his new freedom rising up as that wall was coming down was the human act of simply talking openly to someone like me. from the first days of the cold war, we were told of the lack of freedom behind the iron curtain and later would hear about the secret police and fear of saying anything that might cause trouble saying anything political. here i was getting that truth at me firsthand. as we continue to say pretty much what we want here night to night, i want to share this peek into history from not so very long

san francisco examiner the airport is going to launch a bike medic program. the examiner says the airport will spay the san francisco fire department for that service. >>> rick gates has pleaded guilt i don't to federal conspiracy and lying to the fbi. under the plea agreement gates has agreed to cooperate in special council robert mueller's investigation into the possible collusion into the trump campaign. >>> charges against gates do not involve any conduct connected to the trump campaign. former trump campaign chairman paul manafort is charged but maintains his innocence. >> is he going to give dirt on paul manafort, mueller think he has dirt on the trump campaign? you know, my guess it's on manafort and then they are going to try to squeeze manafort for more information. >> gates is the fifth person to plead guilty in the russia investigation. yesterday the white house responded by saying there is no evidence of any russian collusion by the trump campaign. >>> the california democratic party state convention continues later today in san diego. u.s. senator

it was the couple's engagement announcement in her family's newspaper, the san francisco examiner, whiche attention of a small radical terrorist group that called itself the liberation army, sla. >> they pushed me back. shouting get your face on the floor. >> reporter: hearst was kidnapped from her apartment on february 4, 1974. >> pa there itricia was symboli. >> reporter: she was blind folded, beaten and raped. >> what does that do to a 19-year-old's mind? >> it was gone. >> reporter: she reappeared in april of 1974 on surveillance footage holding a rifle. she and the sla robbing a bank in san francisco. >> she was still a kid. she was a survivor. >> reporter: the heiress turninged terrorist was now seen as a fugitive. she emerged as tonya. 19 months after being kidnapped, she was arrested along with the few remaining members of the sla. six others had died months earlier in a blazing shoot-out with the los angeles police broadcast live on tv, very new for television. hearst was sentenced to seven years in prison for her role in robbing the bank. the public remains divided as to whethe

it was the couple's engagement announcement in her family's newspaper, the san francisco examiner, whichw the attention of a small radical terrorist group that called itself the symbionese liberation army or sla. >> they pushed me back. shouting, get your face on the floor. >> reporter: hearst was kidnapped from her apartment by the sla on february 4th, 1974. >> patricia hearst was a symbolic target. she was an heiress. >> reporter: locked in a closet, she said she was blindfolded, beaten and raped. >> what does that do to a 19-year-old mind? >> reporter: she appeared on surveillance footage rifle. >> she was still a kid. patty hearst was a survivor. >> reporter: the heiress turned terrorist was no longer seen as a victim, but a fugitive. she emerged from the closet astonia. 19 months after she was kidnapped, hearst was arrested with a few remaining members of the sla. six others died months earlier in a blazing shootout with the los angeles police, broadcast live on tv, very new for television. hearst was sentenced to seven years in prison for her role in robbing the bank. the public re

the city of san francisco reportedly reached a tentative legal settlement with a fire fire link to the rv on a plane crash in july 2013. according to the san francisco examiner. the firefighter claimed she was made a sacrificial lamb for the fire department when a re--- when responding to the crash. that claim -- plane clipped the seawall as it was getting ready to land in july 2013. the impact ejected a teenage passenger from the plane onto the runway. that's passenger was covered by firefighting foam and was later hit by two fire department rigs. miss duckett drove the second rig and claims only her name was made public. the board of supervisors is expected to approve that quarter million dollars settlement in the next few weeks. >> a push to crack down on carpal cheats in the bay area. according to reports, across the bay area that 20 percent of car coolers are violators. all that illegal activity gems up the lanes for legitimate carpoolers and for buses. using hov lanes illegally face fines of more than $500. the chp tells the paper that while they look for violators and will issue citations, officers also have to respond to a high number of crashes and

according to the san francisco examiner, a newcomb promize plan calls for a new appeals process giving the supervisors the final say on some sfmta board decisions. >>> the time is 7:15. sal, you were tracking big problems early in the commute. as we're hitting the heat of it all, what is happening now. >> yeah. ways looking at the bay bridge, for example, because if the bay bridge gets bad, everybody knows if this commute gets bad, the bay bridge, a lot of other commutes quickly follow. so you can see that the bay bridge is a little better than it was. it is backed up now for at least a 25-minute delay. but earlier we had some minor accidents. they were more on the annoying end of things. and also the people stuck on 880 a little while ago have now made it to the teleplays a the 880 crash in the fruit vail district of oakland has cleared. the traffic will be okay on some of the other commutes in case you would like to use the san mateo bridge. westbound 92 traffic is okay driving out to the commute. no major problems on highway 4 westbound as you drive through. it is slow as you can se

five bay area cities were examined if the city, san francisco, oakland, san jose, redwood city and palo alto. five cities were examined. it found 20 percent of 27,612 homes proposed between 2014 and 2016 had to go through a complete seqa analysis that may take as long as a year when the statehousing department says that 397 cities in california are behind on their housing goals. lawmakers claim that they are now streamlining the process and so we'll see. in san francisco, jackie ward, kpix 5. >>> some businesses in wine country are struggling after last october's devastating wildfires and as one business is really hurting. >>> one bay area city is restricting drones in response to privacy concerns. >> we have some light rain coming to the bay area this morning and low elevations. snowfall a lot to talk about as our cold temperatures still linker. >> and 580 drivers in the yellow now. we are also tracking a chlorine spill in the area. it has the road closed. we'll have details coming up. it's not that many wedding ged or de >>> the wine country wedding industry has been taking a hit sinc

it was the couple's engagement announcement in her family's newspaper, the san francisco kp examiner,ew the attention of a small radical terrorist group that called itself sla. >> they pushed me back, shouting, get your face on the floor. >> reporter: hearst was kidnapped from her apartment by the sla on february 4th, 1974. >> patricia hearst was a symbolic target. she was an heiress. >> reporter: locked in a closet for nearly two months, hearst says she was blindfolded, beaten, and raped. >> what would it do to a 19-year-old mind? >> well, it just completely, it was gone. >> reporter: hearst reappeared in april of 1974 on surveillance footage, holding a rifle. she and the sla robbing a bank in san francisco. >> she was still a kid. patty hearst was a survivor. >> reporter: the heiress turned terrorist was no longer seen as a victim, but a fugitive. >> patty hearst emerged from the closet as tonya. >> reporter: 19 months after she was kidnapped, hearst was arrested along with the few remaining members of the sla. six others had died months earlier in a blazing shoot-out with the los a

san francisco in retaliation for election meddling. >>> the election meddling and other cyber threats are prompting a new task force. attorney general jeff sessions announced yesterday the task force will examineow the justice department can better combat global cyber threats. that includes potential attempts to damage critical infrastructure. >>> former san francisco supervisor angela alioto is planning to kick off her mayoral campaign at the italian athletic club tonight. she is planning to talk about the issues she wants to focus on. she is facing supervisor london breed, supervisor jane kim and former state senator mark leno in that race. >>> today the san francisco police commission is expected to discuss the details of an i.c.e. cooperation policy. the meeting comes after the commission voted last year in favor of a revised policy strengthening rules that limit the extent to which police can cooperate with i.c.e. the policy prohibits law enforcement from asking about immigration status and limits the information they can share on the individual. >>> 20 minutes now before 7:00. and the new recreational pot pot rules one bay area city is considering today. >> plus, the new low price expres

. >>> i new study shows a high demand for more hours at san francisco libraries. according to the examiner, libraries i should consider adding hours because visitor traffic is consistently high. from opening to closing at most locations. the study recommends adding hours on sundays and fridays. the examiner also reports the library commissioner says there are budget restraints. but they're going to revisit the issue at a later date. >> i'm all for that. i love the library. try to go there on a sunday and it is closed. i learned the hard way. >> that's disappointing. >> it was a nice walk. it's okay. you know, i'm all for more hours at library. >> i appreciate you finding the silver lining. if you're walking today, it would be wet. >> today is a good day to stay indoors. >> if you can during the morning. all of us getting out on april monday morning in the commute. one of the areas where we've seen drizzle and light rain moving in. we're looking south on 680 in walnut creek. let me throw over my accuweather highlights. we've got a steady rain this morning. right in the heart of the morning

. >>> the fundraising battle between two of the candidates in the san francisco mayor's race is heating up. according to the examinerdon breed raised more than $300,000 since announcing her candidacy last month. she's almost on par with former senator mark leno. he received more than $400,000 in contributions last year. they removed interim mayor breed and replaced her with mark farrell. it was labeled racist and sexist. a special election will be take place june 5th. >>> 6:33 now. a showdown between president trump, the house intelligence committee and tfbi over a memo. the hand picked fbi director is expressing concerns over its accuracy. here's reporter serena marshall. >> as the white house decides if they will release controversial gop secret memo, overnight the leading democrat on the house intelligence committee tweeted there were material changes to the memo. currently being reviewed by the white house's legal counsel. the chairman and architect of the memo, congressman nunez's spokesman dismissed them as minor edits. the president's hand picked fbi director publicly challenged the white house over the contr

according to the examiner this morning san francisco bay ferries board members will vote this week ona plan to if you bu haddyt th using those boats for to 60 passengers.tors a the agency's large ferries can transport more than pr400 but those boats cannot service happe cities. some privateoday operators - a provide bay taxi services. >>> happening today the annual cinequest film festival begins in san jose. >> the big stars we're waiting n to hear from tonight, william h. macy and rosario dawson. their movie crystal opens that festival. it runs through next week. mercury news reporting the festival brings in 100,000 emuno downtown san jose generating about $9 million in economic impact.sume nbc bay area and telemundor in e sponsorsz cinequest. look for coverage tonight at 5:00 and 6:00. chris chmura is set to emcee and jodie hernandez will be interviewing celebrities on the red carpet. might have to bring a jacket to wear over her gown. it's cold out there. >> it's going to be cold today but at least we will have the sunshine. yesterday we had the clouds rolling by every now and then

healthiest cities are on the west coast, san francisco, seattle and portland, oregon. >>> wallet hub examinedies across four categories that includes health care, food, fitness and green space. >>> aew record find philadelphia adolescence are not getting vaccination that is could protect them from developing a variety of cancer >> health reporter stephanie stahl joins with us more on that, stephanie. >> reporter: report from the blood cross/blue shield association, says that in the philadelphia area, hpv vaccinations are far behind our vaccines for adolescence, that cover things like meningitis and whooping cough. ten year-old stella is getting her first of two shots to prevent the human papilloma virus. >> are you okay, stella. >> yes. >> reporter: human papilloma virus is sexually transmitted and linked to more than 31,000 cases of cancer each year, it is recommend that had teens get vaccinated before they become sexually active. >> throat cancer, tongue cancer, pea nile cancer as well as cervical cancer. so the vaccine is the only tool we have, right now, to prevent those cancers, in our c

. >>> a majority of san franciscos say they support those red transit only lanes. according to "the examiner" 55% of people in the city support the red lanes while 30% are opposed. the red lanes can be found in the mission, gary boulevard, you parts of counsel town, too. muni received approval to put red lanes on at least 50 more streets to speed up buses. >>> starting saturday you can buy an app to buy caltrain tickets. it will let riders purchase tickets from their phones. that means no more stopping at the ticketing machine before getting on. the prices are the same and you can buy tickets for multiple people on one device. >>> let's take a look at some neighborhood temperatures since we're all over the scale in our inland east bay neighborhoods. blackhawk up in the hills at 66. a little flatter, though, danville. still getting the breezes at 61. right down to the south it's 49. to the north it's 47. look at pleasanton, 57. then livermore, 46. temperatures near 60 off the highway 4 corridor to around 50 in pleasant hill. the same temperature in oakland, 47. we have low 50s along the bay s

it was slated to be open may 1st but the examiner reports it could be delayed until september. >>> a san franciscorvation commission will decide today on the fate of a controversial civic centerc7' statue. critics say the early days statue is a symbol of oppression and they're calling for its removal. the statue shows a native american man on the ground with two spanish colonists standing over here. today's meeting is at city hall at 12:30. two weeks ago they voted to have a christopher columbus statue removed from its city hall. pete suratos is looking into this story for us this morning. he is going to join us with more coming up in about an hour. >>> at 4:51 a first look at a powerful weather -- weather satellite being built right here in the bay area. what it can do and when it will launch into space. >>> but first, happening now, a developing story out of alabama. a police officer, a male suspect and a women are dead after an hours long standoff. officials say it started when police started investigating the woman's death, that led them to the woman's ex-husband. when police arrived at his ho

. >>> san francisco's based uber may go to court, this time over accusations from its own drivers who claim they were stiffed fare money. the examiner reports the judge officially gave the green light on the class action lawsuit. the breach of contract suit was filed in may in u.s. district court in san francisco. it alleges that when uber implemented a feature called up front pricing in the year 2016, it did not pay drivers their fair share. so far, no comments from uber. >>> not many people love their driver's license photo. that's pretty much a universal truth. what if you could pick your photo? a southern california lawmakers introduced a bill to allow drivers to choose their own license photo. this measure gives people the opportunity to take more than one photo at the dmv and select the one they like. the catch? the more photos you take, the more money it costs. another option is take a photo somewhere else. josh newman of fullerton said the bill creates new revenue sources. >>> musk's brother is giving away a tesla model 3. in fact, it's one of the first ever made. find out how you can get behind the wheel for as little as $1

more details now on how much money san francisco mayoral candidates have raised so far. "the examiner" is going through campaign finance records this morning and so far former state senator mark leno says he's raised half a million. london breed has raised $300,000. other candidates have far less including supervisor jane kim who reports $140,000 and former supervisor angela alito who has about $66,000. >>> a man behind bars this morning. police believe he may have other victims. his name is stanley friesen. authorities arrested him in tracy. the alleged crime happened in milpitas. police say friesen met a woman at a bay month inn for what she thought would be a date. they say he quickly turned into something sinister. >> the gentleman said he was a police officer. he produced a badge and had a firearm. fearing for her safety and thinking she may get arrested decided to go along with the sexual act. >> police say afterwards the woman called police because she thought he might be an impersonator. social media played a big role in their brief relationship. the two met with the help of a

san francisco affordable housing has not been built in over a decade.coming up at in- depth look at the housing incentives to re-vamp old and un-used buildings. (steve)new at ten: we continue to examineusing crisis in the bay area. san francisco is at the heart of it. you see construction everywhere... but most of us are priced out of being able to afford to live in a luxury high rise.(vicki) tonight, kron four's philippe djegal goes in-depth... looking at the different ways the city and other organizations are creating more affordable housing. dilapidated... rundown and shuttered... soon to get a facelift and be molded into affordable housing...karoleen feng/meda- we have 1,000 apartments that are in, what we call, the pipeline. some of them are built out, and some of them -- we have about 500 that are waiting to be kicked off." recently, the mission economic development agency bought this unoccupied building at 18th and mission streets in san francisco. by mid 20-21... it will be renovated and turned into commercial space and at least 40 affordable apartments for low-income families. karoleen feng, the director of community real estate for m-e-d-a, says buying property is part of a

today, we examine homelessness and income disparity in the asian pacific american community of san franciscoan award-winning documentary reporter producer who put the spotlight on filipino homeless with her film "box city." then we look at asian pacificer islander income disparity. how bad is it? how do people cope? what's being done to help? and we'll wrap up with an organization that helps with affordable housing, homelessness, and much needed services. all that, as well as information on the showcase pinays in the arts, as well as the upcoming winter olympics

. >>> across the bay, san francisco supervisor catherine stephanie wants to talk about car break-ins. telling the examiner the number of car break-ins in san francisco is out of control. there were more than 30,000 in 2017. that is a 24% increase from the year before. supervisor stephanie says the hearings could reveal that the police may need more resources to deal with the car break-in epidemic. >>> san francisco health officials are setting up safe injection sites. >> city sanctioned facilities where people can use illegal drugs safely. allie rasmus is live in san francisco to lay out the timeline for the sites. allie. >> reporter: well, if the sites become a reality, and it looks like they will, it is a question of when, san francisco will be the first city in the nation to offer something like this. we confirmed with a spokesman for the department of public health in city that they are working with nonprofits and community organizations to establish safe injection sites. this is a picture of what they could look like or similar to what they could look like. this are photos from a safe injection site

reappointed any way, but is this something that the voters and citizens of san francisco need to wait until it becomes an article in the examiner, oh, like this has become a problem. the commission doesn't have the power to move, but could certainly create transparency around what conflict i may have. >> right. through the chair, again, it's not just the number, and i do believe that the appointing authority also has the authority to remove an appointed person from a commission or a board if the recusals start stacking up. i think the question that i'm getting at is if i'm being faced with a decision whether to recuse myself and someone has given me a ride to work four times in the past year, and the matter is actually a discretionary review before my body, and do i -- and i'm making that line call on whether i've received anything of value, and i know that if i recuse myself one more time, i'm going to trigger an investigation by the ethics commission, that's a disincentive to recuse myself. that is a problem. the decision should be i'm recusing myself because the perception should be something of value is there. we should be