58
58
Mar 13, 2016
03/16
by
MSNBCW
tv
eye 58
favorite 0
quote 0
. >> we met phillip in san quentin prison in california. and he really stood out as this young kid in a very hardcore old-school prison. his life was at a pretty precarious point, but he also remained sort of optimistic. >> from the second i got in trouble to this moment in time, i know god put me in this cell for a reason. whatever it is, i don't know at this time. maybe it was just to give me time to realize what i was doing. or who knows? maybe there's something inside this time that i'm going to do that's going to put me into perspective and make he realize stuff. i don't know. but i'm in here for a reason other for than the crime that i did, that god has a plan for me. i'll be all right. i'm going to make it. >> you're moving my head that way. >> i'm not moving it, you're moving it. >> i said i want a nice little haircut and he gives me a bald head. >> kirkpatrick rejected the lessons he had learned from his biological family at a very young age. that's when all his problems began. >> my mom gave me the best advice that she could. ever
. >> we met phillip in san quentin prison in california. and he really stood out as this young kid in a very hardcore old-school prison. his life was at a pretty precarious point, but he also remained sort of optimistic. >> from the second i got in trouble to this moment in time, i know god put me in this cell for a reason. whatever it is, i don't know at this time. maybe it was just to give me time to realize what i was doing. or who knows? maybe there's something inside this time...
158
158
Mar 6, 2016
03/16
by
KNTV
tv
eye 158
favorite 0
quote 0
as part of our investigation, we were also granted rare access by san quentin to talk with dozens of inmates currently serving time under sentencing enhancements. >> i had a gun to i was given 25 to life. >> lewis got 15 years for attempted murder after he shot a man in the leg but 94 more years or six times the original sentence for four separate gun enhancements all tied to the same crime as the same gun. >> the time is way more than you would even get for the crime itself. >> the numbers show sentences in california for violent crimes increased 63% between 1990 and 2009. >> enough is enough. >> state senator lonnie hancock is pushing for change in the california justice system. >> back at the end of the 1980s, we had three state prisons in california. we now have 33 state prisons. our population has about doubled, but our prison populations have grown by over 400%. >> hancock chairs the public safety committee overseeing prisons. she wants to see less attention and resources spent on punishment and more on rehabilitation and drug and mental health kounsing. how did it get this way
as part of our investigation, we were also granted rare access by san quentin to talk with dozens of inmates currently serving time under sentencing enhancements. >> i had a gun to i was given 25 to life. >> lewis got 15 years for attempted murder after he shot a man in the leg but 94 more years or six times the original sentence for four separate gun enhancements all tied to the same crime as the same gun. >> the time is way more than you would even get for the crime itself....
58
58
Mar 5, 2016
03/16
by
MSNBCW
tv
eye 58
favorite 0
quote 0
. >> at california's san quentin state prison, we saw how sophisticated some inmate weaponry can be.his homemade pistol is known as a zip gun. >> this portion is filled with ground up matchheads. the two holes here, inmates insert a wick. the inmate takes a plunger, pokes shrapnel in the open end, pieces of metal, ground up zippers. when the target walks by the cell, be it an officer or an inmate, the inmate lights this, it goes down, strikes the match heads, basically acts like a firecracker and shoots the shrapnel out. >> the majority of inmate manufactured weapons or shanks are designed for slashing or stabbing. the ease with which lethal weapons are made is shocking. this san quentin inmate who goes by the name speedy agreed to show correctional staff and "lockup" cameras just how simple it can be. he starts by using a roll of toilet paper as a crude forge to melt plastic coffee cup lids. >> i'm making a weapon right now. melting this plastic down into a shape. what i'm doing is trying to get a wad of it to where i can -- i have something to work with. you know what i mean? what
. >> at california's san quentin state prison, we saw how sophisticated some inmate weaponry can be.his homemade pistol is known as a zip gun. >> this portion is filled with ground up matchheads. the two holes here, inmates insert a wick. the inmate takes a plunger, pokes shrapnel in the open end, pieces of metal, ground up zippers. when the target walks by the cell, be it an officer or an inmate, the inmate lights this, it goes down, strikes the match heads, basically acts like a...
138
138
Mar 10, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 138
favorite 0
quote 0
you pass san quentin, you drive by san quentin, but you never really know what's going on inside the prison walls. >> reporter: five years ago, chris was asked to speak to inmates at the prison about how to start a business after they get out. he got beverly to join him and what she heard from an inmate changed everything. >> he said, i can no longer let 12 minutes of one day of my life define who i am as a person. >> reporter: that inspired them to create the last mile. because the couple has spent years in high-tech, it made sense that their nonprofit would teach inmates the science of computer coding. beverly had seen the research. 75% of the people released from prison are unemployed within the first year. 60% get out, commit another crime and go back in. >> our mission is to provide marketable skills that will result in gainful employment because we believe that having a job is truly the key to successful re-entry could i'm the manager of campus services here at rocket space. >> reporter: one of the first greats of last mile is this man. >> what the last mile did is just introdu
you pass san quentin, you drive by san quentin, but you never really know what's going on inside the prison walls. >> reporter: five years ago, chris was asked to speak to inmates at the prison about how to start a business after they get out. he got beverly to join him and what she heard from an inmate changed everything. >> he said, i can no longer let 12 minutes of one day of my life define who i am as a person. >> reporter: that inspired them to create the last mile....
199
199
Mar 2, 2016
03/16
by
KNTV
tv
eye 199
favorite 0
quote 0
this time for a hit and run driver who police say told his victims he'd just been released from san quentin prison. he then ran them down. there's surveillance photos of that car. this happened at a rohnert park motel. chuck cope pola is there. >> reporter: we know that rohnert park police are continuing to work on this. they've not been able to verify with the state department of corrections whether or not the driver in this case was, in fact, just released from san quentin, and their description of him, frankly, is very limited. a white male in his late 20s to early 30s with brown curly hair clean shaven. beyond that they don't know much. but there are surveillance cameras at this motel. and as he took off, a fleeting image was captured. this photograph from a surveillance camera shows you the car police want to find. a white 2014, to 2015 import possibly a toyota or honda with front end damage. >> there should be visible damage, dents, et cetera. >> reporter: it happened at the best western inn in rohnert park short after 10:00 p.m. last saturday. the manager and her adult son were check
this time for a hit and run driver who police say told his victims he'd just been released from san quentin prison. he then ran them down. there's surveillance photos of that car. this happened at a rohnert park motel. chuck cope pola is there. >> reporter: we know that rohnert park police are continuing to work on this. they've not been able to verify with the state department of corrections whether or not the driver in this case was, in fact, just released from san quentin, and their...
108
108
Mar 13, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 108
favorite 0
quote 0
san quentin. you drive by. but you never really know what's going on inside the prison walls. >> -- >> five years ago chris was asked to speak to inmates about how to start a business after they get out. he got beverly to join him and what she heard from an inmate changed everything. >> he said i can no longer let 12 minutes of one day of my life define who i am as a person. >> that inspired them to create the last mile. the couple has spent years in high-tech, it made sense their nonprofit would teach inmates the science of computer coding. 75% of the people released are unemployed within the first year. 60% get out, commit another crime and go right back in. >> their mission is to provide marketable skills that will result in gainful employment. we believe that having a job is truly the key to successful reentry. >> i'm the manager of campus services. >> one of the first graduate -- >> what the last mile did was introduced us to the idea of how technology has changed the way that businesses oper
san quentin. you drive by. but you never really know what's going on inside the prison walls. >> -- >> five years ago chris was asked to speak to inmates about how to start a business after they get out. he got beverly to join him and what she heard from an inmate changed everything. >> he said i can no longer let 12 minutes of one day of my life define who i am as a person. >> that inspired them to create the last mile. the couple has spent years in high-tech, it made...
50
50
Mar 20, 2016
03/16
by
MSNBCW
tv
eye 50
favorite 0
quote 0
>> joseph de la cruz is a gang dropout, serving nine years for attempted murder at california's san quentin state prison. and when we first met him, authorities had just discovered that he had been assaulted inside his protective custody cell. >> this morning you did come out of your cell. we did a sweep to find out how many people stayed behind, and you were discovered with injuries. and here's the medical report. >> despite obvious injuries, de la cruz refused to give correctional staff any information about the attack. >> they're trying to find out what happened. i won't tell them what happened. >> any specific individuals you know are your enemies? >> no, sir. >> how about any prison weapons offenses? >> no, sir. >> do you belong to a gang? >> no, i don't. >> i mean outside of what you're being accused of, being a victim, are you involved in any other batteries in your history? >> no. >> due to this evidence, you're deemed a threat to the safety and security of the institution, to staff, and inmates. >> escort! >> without good information about what prompted the attack and whether this
>> joseph de la cruz is a gang dropout, serving nine years for attempted murder at california's san quentin state prison. and when we first met him, authorities had just discovered that he had been assaulted inside his protective custody cell. >> this morning you did come out of your cell. we did a sweep to find out how many people stayed behind, and you were discovered with injuries. and here's the medical report. >> despite obvious injuries, de la cruz refused to give...
162
162
Mar 24, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 162
favorite 0
quote 0
erson award winner >>> in the shadow of san quentin there's a group focused on the victims.llen martin reports, this week's jefferson award winner is helping victims and their families have a voice. >> all the work with the victims. >> reporter: jan miller has been helping murder victim families for 22 arbecause jan miller is one of those families. >> i feel empowered myself by getting involved. >> reporter: in 1984, jan's daughter, 19-year-old veronica cast murdered in her apartment in chico. it's unsolved. 10 years after the killing jan teamed up with jane alexander to form citizens against homicide. >> to unhappy ladies, unhappy with the criminal justice system. >> reporter: should the killer be caught and convicted, citizens against homicide helps families write letters to the sentencing judge and later the parole board. >> your case is kind of shoved to the back. >> reporter: jean and shelly had two-family members killed in fresno. >> no one is ever prepared to have something like this happen. >> reporter: the group was able to put up a billboard offering a big reward.
erson award winner >>> in the shadow of san quentin there's a group focused on the victims.llen martin reports, this week's jefferson award winner is helping victims and their families have a voice. >> all the work with the victims. >> reporter: jan miller has been helping murder victim families for 22 arbecause jan miller is one of those families. >> i feel empowered myself by getting involved. >> reporter: in 1984, jan's daughter, 19-year-old veronica cast...
67
67
Mar 1, 2016
03/16
by
KRON
tv
eye 67
favorite 0
quote 0
. >> jeff :police say that the man told the manager that he had just been released from san quentin andad no other place to go police station started the car and as he was about to leave the property but instead he aimed his car at one manager and her son she flew back words and her son rolled over the top of the hood and the driver drove off police said that the vehicle in the senate and run was a toyota camry--in this hit-and-run >> pam : the public's help in the case. the coast guard called off its search of the waters off half >> brittney : today we saw record breaking want but changes already in store for us and we want to get some rain in here so here is a closer look on what to expect same thing on wednesday and will start to see cooler temperatures we're tracking a wet pattern but it is into the weekend when we are tracking a larger system 46 degrees in half moon bay and we have a few spots pushing into the high '70's and will have a closer look to your seven day forecast later >> pam :an engine fire is likely the reason why a bus exploded at a san francisco gas station. this is
. >> jeff :police say that the man told the manager that he had just been released from san quentin andad no other place to go police station started the car and as he was about to leave the property but instead he aimed his car at one manager and her son she flew back words and her son rolled over the top of the hood and the driver drove off police said that the vehicle in the senate and run was a toyota camry--in this hit-and-run >> pam : the public's help in the case. the coast...
120
120
Mar 2, 2016
03/16
by
KNTV
tv
eye 120
favorite 0
quote 0
the suspect was just released from san quentin. verona park police releasing this image of the car as it sped away. if you look carefully it's a white sedan, possibly a toyota or honda. police say the car and the driver were outside of a best western inn right there on redwood drive last saturday night. the motel manager and her son thought the driver looked suspicious, so they con front him. that's when he tried to run them down. >> they thought that was going to be the end of the conversation and they began to walk away. the vehicle backed up, looked like it was going to maneuver to leave then suddenly accelerated rapidly forward and purposely struck the manager and her son. >> police go on to say the car likely has front end damage. the motel manager is still in the hospital. her son is okay. >>> the sierra snow pack is dwindling. today' survey revealed el nino is not living up to expectations. january looked promising. we had plenty of rain and snow. all that started to melt in february due to clear and sunny conditions. right
the suspect was just released from san quentin. verona park police releasing this image of the car as it sped away. if you look carefully it's a white sedan, possibly a toyota or honda. police say the car and the driver were outside of a best western inn right there on redwood drive last saturday night. the motel manager and her son thought the driver looked suspicious, so they con front him. that's when he tried to run them down. >> they thought that was going to be the end of the...
294
294
Mar 15, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 294
favorite 0
quote 0
. >> richard ramirez died on death row at san quentin three years ago. >>> a man brutally beaten by alameda county sheriff's deputies is in serious trouble tonight. we warn you the video is hard to watch. it shows the man roughed up by deputies following a chase last november. they were after him for a stolen car. if he trough wound up on with metro -- petrof wound up with two broken arms. san francisco police say they busted him last weekend for a gun and drug possession which has nothing to do with the previous case. >>> tonight three california police officers could face jail time. veronica de la cruz shows us it's tied to a pot shop raid in orange county. >> that's right. prosecutors say the pot dispensary didn't have the proper permits to sell marijuana. so in may last year the police officers served a search warrant at sky high holistic in santa ana. prosecutors say the officers smashed five surveillance cameras, a hidden camera continued to record. the police officers are also accused of stealing cookies and protein bars and eating them. prosecutors say there's no evidence they stole
. >> richard ramirez died on death row at san quentin three years ago. >>> a man brutally beaten by alameda county sheriff's deputies is in serious trouble tonight. we warn you the video is hard to watch. it shows the man roughed up by deputies following a chase last november. they were after him for a stolen car. if he trough wound up on with metro -- petrof wound up with two broken arms. san francisco police say they busted him last weekend for a gun and drug possession which...
55
55
Mar 1, 2016
03/16
by
KRON
tv
eye 55
favorite 0
quote 0
doing until the he had to leave the property he told the manager of the kids just released from san quentin and had nowhere to go he started the car and act alike use about to leave but drew toward the manager and her son having both they're hospitalized the manager still in hospital with her son has been leased the car involved described in the 14th the 2016 toyota camry. >>darya: then headed out with about 20 minutes to people had to go to a hospital no word on their condition this morning will have a federal trial data set to begin in a wrongful death lawsuit filed against four san francisco police officers police mistook a taser that he was caring for a gun he work as security guard in the taser was needed for his job is senate opened fire after he pointed and fired the taser at them and all talk shows that he was shot at least 10 times the police departments said the officers were acting within policy the jury would not decide whether those officers acted reasonably. >>darya: drivers on as after a series of shootings along the east bay freeway there been seven shootings on interstate 8
doing until the he had to leave the property he told the manager of the kids just released from san quentin and had nowhere to go he started the car and act alike use about to leave but drew toward the manager and her son having both they're hospitalized the manager still in hospital with her son has been leased the car involved described in the 14th the 2016 toyota camry. >>darya: then headed out with about 20 minutes to people had to go to a hospital no word on their condition this...
126
126
Mar 27, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 126
favorite 0
quote 0
. >>> there is a group focus in san quentin, not on the men behind the bars, but on the victims, and the jefferson award winner is helping the victims and their families find a voice.>> reporter: jim miller has been helping the murder victim families for 22 years. and jim miller is one of those families. >> i-50 life empowered myself by getting involved.>> reporter: and 1984, her daughter was murdered in her apartment in chico, and the case has never been solved. 10 years after the killings, jen has teamed up jane alexander to form "citizens against homicide." should the killer bee caught and convicted, the citizens against homicide helps the families right letters to the sentencing judge and to the parole board. jean and shelley had two family members killed in fresno. >> no one is ever prepared to have something like this happen.>> reporter: the group put up a billboard offering a big reward, and cannot believe that someone could come forward so quickly with evidence and proof on who committed the murders. >> it turned out to be the murderer himself. he murdered them for money, and
. >>> there is a group focus in san quentin, not on the men behind the bars, but on the victims, and the jefferson award winner is helping the victims and their families find a voice.>> reporter: jim miller has been helping the murder victim families for 22 years. and jim miller is one of those families. >> i-50 life empowered myself by getting involved.>> reporter: and 1984, her daughter was murdered in her apartment in chico, and the case has never been solved. 10...
389
389
Mar 24, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 389
favorite 0
quote 0
this week's jefferson award wi itizens against >>> in the shadow of san quentin there's a group victim iced by the men behind bars. this week's jefferson awards winner started citizens against homicide so victims and families would have a voice. >> all the work with the victims. >> reporter: jan miller has been helping murder victim families for 22 years because she is one of those families. >> i feel i empower myself by getting involved. >> reporter: in 1984, jan's daughter 19-year-old veronica was murdered in her apartment in chico. the case has never been solved. but 10 years after the killing, jan teamed up with jane alexander to form citizens against homicide. >> to up happy ladies unhappy with the -- unhappy ladies unhappy with the criminal justice system. >> reporter: it helps families write letters to the sentencing judge and later the parole board. >> your case is kind of shoved to the back. >> reporter: jean and shelly servants had two-family members killed in fresno. >> no one is ever prepared to have something like this happen. >> reporter: the group put up a billboard offe
this week's jefferson award wi itizens against >>> in the shadow of san quentin there's a group victim iced by the men behind bars. this week's jefferson awards winner started citizens against homicide so victims and families would have a voice. >> all the work with the victims. >> reporter: jan miller has been helping murder victim families for 22 years because she is one of those families. >> i feel i empower myself by getting involved. >> reporter: in 1984,...
299
299
Mar 22, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 299
favorite 0
quote 0
altars is serving his 141 year sentence at san quentin. he's been dubbed the pleasure point rapist, a judge once called him a "sexual psychopath" the program is two years old, it offers parochial -- hearings to state prisoners who are 60 and older and have served at least 25 years of their sentence. while prison reform advocates say it is a practical way to reduce prison populations, the critics counter that by saying it is a slap in the face to victims, and the judicial system. >> we are seeing and may to have been sentenced to hundreds of years, and present, coming up for parole hearings, and quite frankly that's not acceptable. >> is of the the population that had the lowest risk of public safety, and the population that also cost the most to incarcerate. this also a population that struggles most with prison conditions >> the elderly parole program does have its limitations. inmates are serving life sentences, without parole, or who are on death row do not qualify >>> showers are moving through the bay area and leaving behind quite a m
altars is serving his 141 year sentence at san quentin. he's been dubbed the pleasure point rapist, a judge once called him a "sexual psychopath" the program is two years old, it offers parochial -- hearings to state prisoners who are 60 and older and have served at least 25 years of their sentence. while prison reform advocates say it is a practical way to reduce prison populations, the critics counter that by saying it is a slap in the face to victims, and the judicial system....
156
156
tv
eye 156
favorite 0
quote 0
up to the north bay from san rafael to san quentin, right over into the east bay.ercules looking at wet weather this evening so be careful. up to the north bay it's colder. 2 to 11 degrees colder this morning than yesterday. so we are looking at this cold air in the form of snow in lake county. so the wind advisory, it gets going later on today from 4:00 in the afternoon through 4:00 monday morning. and the gusts will continue to increase throughout the day. and there's just a narrow time when the cold front marches through when we will see once again the gusty winds. but the heavy downpours could come at anytime with some showers and thunderstorms. 54 half moon bay. san francisco checking in in the hid 50s. cooler behind the vigorous front that left us overnight last night. and temperatures have dropped into the upper 40s for rant rosa napa. 52 concord and a live look from the sutro tower camera. you see the camera shaking. gusty winds toward livermore and mountain view. as the sun comes up and the atmosphere gets a little more unstable we could see a thunderstorm
up to the north bay from san rafael to san quentin, right over into the east bay.ercules looking at wet weather this evening so be careful. up to the north bay it's colder. 2 to 11 degrees colder this morning than yesterday. so we are looking at this cold air in the form of snow in lake county. so the wind advisory, it gets going later on today from 4:00 in the afternoon through 4:00 monday morning. and the gusts will continue to increase throughout the day. and there's just a narrow time when...
98
98
Mar 16, 2016
03/16
by
KGO
tv
eye 98
favorite 0
quote 0
we had an early accident overfund off the roadway eastbound 580 at the san quentin off-ramp a tow truck is on the scene to get the car righted. i am still not see any slow traffic. it is out there. as the commute is busy. back with a look at the south bay drive coming you. we have breaking news we are following in berkeley, police are on the scene of a double shooting, a look at the scene as we speak. police have blocked off at prince for a man and woman in their 20s were shot while sitting in a car. the man got out of the car and was found in the middle of the street. the woman found in the consider. so far no arrests have been made. both victims were taken to the hospital. they have life threatening injuries. our reporter is in gearing new information and will have a report for us at 5:30. >> we have an important alert for parents in appeal after a man exposed himself to a young girl and started following her home. our reporter matt keller has the sketch you need to see and the worry that the man's behavior could escalate. matt? >> this was bold and shocking, it happened before sunset
we had an early accident overfund off the roadway eastbound 580 at the san quentin off-ramp a tow truck is on the scene to get the car righted. i am still not see any slow traffic. it is out there. as the commute is busy. back with a look at the south bay drive coming you. we have breaking news we are following in berkeley, police are on the scene of a double shooting, a look at the scene as we speak. police have blocked off at prince for a man and woman in their 20s were shot while sitting in...
645
645
Mar 10, 2016
03/16
by
KPIX
tv
eye 645
favorite 0
quote 1
. >> reporter: beverly parenti and her husband chris would drive by san quentin all the time. >> you you go by on the ferry but you never really know what's going on inside the prison walls. >> reporter: five years ago, chris was asked to speak to inmates at the prison about how to start a business after they get out. beverly joined him. >> he said i can no longer let 12 minutes of one day of my life define who i am and a person. >> reporter: that inspired them to create the last mile. because the couple has spent years in high-tech, it made sense that their nonprofit would teach inmates the science of computer coding. beverly had seen the research. 75% of the people released from prison are unemployed within the first year. 60% get out and go right back in. >> our mission is to provide marketable skills to result in gainful employment because we believe having a job is truly the key to successful re-entry. >> i'm the manager of campus service here at rocket space. >> reporter: one of the first graduates of last mine is this man. >> it introduced us to the idea of how technology has
. >> reporter: beverly parenti and her husband chris would drive by san quentin all the time. >> you you go by on the ferry but you never really know what's going on inside the prison walls. >> reporter: five years ago, chris was asked to speak to inmates at the prison about how to start a business after they get out. beverly joined him. >> he said i can no longer let 12 minutes of one day of my life define who i am and a person. >> reporter: that inspired them to...
93
93
Mar 28, 2016
03/16
by
MSNBCW
tv
eye 93
favorite 0
quote 0
when we visited san quentin state prison, we discovered how committed some of the 5,000 inmates wereec yard for security reasons, but that didn't deter anyone from lifting. >> it's weights. >> yeah? >> that's how we work out. we got water bags. >> how much does it weigh? >> about 30 pounds. >> not very much. >> there it is. >> some of the challenges of working out in prison aren't only about the access to the equipment you have or don't have, but it's also the kind of restrictions you have. oftentimes these prisons go on lockdown and people are kept in their cells or housing units for long periods of time and not really allowed out. but they still always find a way to work out. >> this is about 55 or 60 pounds. >> and in a world where fist fights are all too real, many inmates incorporate shadow boxing into their workouts. but jamie, a former jujitsu instructor doing time at indiana state prison went beyond just punching air. >> this is a makeshift punching bag since we're in our cell 23-prus hours a day. i took a wool blanket, whatever you need. some people put a book in there to ma
when we visited san quentin state prison, we discovered how committed some of the 5,000 inmates wereec yard for security reasons, but that didn't deter anyone from lifting. >> it's weights. >> yeah? >> that's how we work out. we got water bags. >> how much does it weigh? >> about 30 pounds. >> not very much. >> there it is. >> some of the challenges of working out in prison aren't only about the access to the equipment you have or don't have, but...
99
99
Mar 27, 2016
03/16
by
KNTV
tv
eye 99
favorite 0
quote 0
quentin: speaking of saving money, you're located in san francisco? i'm starting to see a lot of companies now that'll have, like, a core in san francisco, and then an operation in portland, or denver, or even seattle, which is still cheaper, you know, as a way of laying off costs. do you think about that kind of model? leah: yeah, we do, we did in the last year open a call center in portland that's been very cost-effective for us. and then we just run the team really lean in general. scott: but to quentin's point, i mean, if i said, "no, no, no, we got to get profitability right now," we could all--you know, we could move to nashville. quentin: where i'm going is, how ambitious are you about this? i mean, are you looking at yourself and thinking, "i can cut, i could be tougher"? leah: listen, you know, the core of innovation is still here in silicon valley. and, you know, i founded the company actually in boston, and came out here to be part of this community. and so, definitely dedicated to being here, and there's lots of great innovation that happe
quentin: speaking of saving money, you're located in san francisco? i'm starting to see a lot of companies now that'll have, like, a core in san francisco, and then an operation in portland, or denver, or even seattle, which is still cheaper, you know, as a way of laying off costs. do you think about that kind of model? leah: yeah, we do, we did in the last year open a call center in portland that's been very cost-effective for us. and then we just run the team really lean in general. scott:...