should sanctuary cities that should sanctuary cities that won't yes, we are twins. when i went on to ancestry, i just put in the name of my parents and my grandparents. i was getting all these leaves and i was going back generation after generation. you start to see documents and you see signatures of people that you've never met. i mean, you don't know these people, but you feel like you do. you get connected to them. i wish that i could get into a time machine and go back 100 years, 200 years and just meet these people. being on ancestry just made me feel like i belonged somewhere. discover your story. start searching for free now at ancestry.com. >>> and forthe results. we ask should sanctuary cities exist? they help police without fear of deportation. many positives that aren't being mentioned. have you been listening to me? would you rather protect the real victim with the u visa or every other criminal in a sanctuary town. these cities should no longer receive federal funding. the state should feed and clothe these people on their own if they want them. they a

>> no. >> new york is a sanctuary city. >> yeah. >> you know what that means? vaguely. >> it sounds like a city that doesn't exercise extradition treaty. >> it puts us more in harm's way because there is no accountability to the person committing the crime? >> are you in agreement they should hand over these dangerous criminals? >> to the feds? >> oh, that's a toughy. >> no it isn't. >> morally, america is a country founded on the premise of the melting pot. >> the melting pot is based upon people getting visas and coming here legally. >> legally, of course, is wrong. morally, i can definitely see why the idea behind the sanctuary city is popular. >> if a woman is killed by an illegal not turned over to the feds, by a sank chu area city who is at fault if that guy kills a 30-year-old victim and kills her. >> i would say the city is responsible. he shot her on the street. >> that's san francisco and new york is the same way. do you feel safe? >> i keep myself safe. >> i bet you do. >> do you feel safe? >> no, i don't. a lot of criminals out here. they shoot peop

do you know what a sanctuary city is? >> ah, no. >> do you know what a sanctuary city is? >> no. >> the sanctuary city is where the locals decide illegal immigrants will not be turned over to the feds, even if the feds say they want them. is that right or wrong? >> hmm, let me think about this for a couple second. >> do you know what a sanctuary city is? >> no. >> new york is a sanctuary city. >> yeah. >> you know what that means? >> yeah, vaguely. >> it sounds like a city that doesn't exercise extradition treaty. >> it puts us more in harm's way because there is no accountability to the person committing the crime? >> are you in agreement they should hand over these dangerous criminals? >> to the feds? >> oh, that's a toughy. >> no it isn't. >> morally, america is a country founded on the premise of the melting pot. >> the melting pot is based upon people getting visas and coming here legally. >> legally, of course, is wrong. morally, i can definitely see why the idea behind the sanctuary city is popular. >> if a woman is killed by an illegal not turned over to the feds,

republican senator says sanctuary cities should not get federal law enforcement grants. not interesting interesting ideas. i say all of the above. the reason why is because it's this sdraigs enl kurjz cities to disabow bay the law. immigration law end up getting the books thrown at them. what bothers me is that if we can take down the confederate flag we ought to take down this administration's immigration policies because that's what's led to this murder. >> there are 31 major metropolitan sanctuary cities but there are some 300 across the country areas, metropolitan areas that are sanctuary cities for illegals. what are your thoughts? >> i don't think there should be a sanctuary cities. what makes that so right? why is that? there shouldn't be any sanctuary cities. listen when you start off the conversation, and you heard me say this many times, with the phrase illegal alien, you got nowhere to go. you start with the word illegal, you are gone. it's illegal, that means it's against the law, you should -- we shouldn't have any sanctuary cities. if you want to do somethin

it's immigration reform. >> the fact is that they're not helping sanctuary cities are violating rules that save people's lives. >> i agree with you 100% david. all i'm suggesting is that rather than this funding of the cities and try to stop it there, if these people running these cities are breaking the law, they should be prosecuted. that's the way you deal with something that is illegal. >> john i love immigration. i married an immigrant. my family is immigrants. all of our families are immigrants. we love immigration. helped build america. but we don't love people or criminals getting cover by these sanctuary cities. >> that's fine. but we're using one instance. >> hold on. it's not one instance. there were several people. >> that's not a statistic. we're using that to act like left-wing people and say immigration is bad because of this. fight crime, but to esit here and run against what is a pure market signal. people come to this country and for the better and then say, okay. >> sabrina, the concept of giving people cover from illegal behavior is wrong, is it not? can't we just

it's immigration reform. >> the fact is that they're not helping sanctuary cities are violating rules that save people's lives. >> i agree with you 100%, david. all i'm suggesting is that rather than this funding of the cities and try to stop it there, if these people running these cities are breaking the law, they should be prosecuted. that's the way you deal with something that is illegal. >> john, i love immigration. i married an immigrant. my family is immigrants. all of our families are immigrants. we love immigration. helped build america. but we don't love people or criminals getting cover by these sanctuary cities. >> that's fine. but we're using one instance. >> hold on. it's not one instance. there were several people. >> that's not a statistic. we're using that to act like left-wing people and say immigration is bad because of this. fight crime, but to sit here and run against what is a pure market signal. people come to this country and for the better and then say, okay. >> sabrina, the concept of giving people cover from illegal behavior is wrong, is it not? can't we just

>> for murderers. >> what have we gotten out of sanctuary cities? >> the cities themselves would argue it's about resources that they preserve resources around it. >> which then actually goes back to federal government who has a job to handle immigration and come up with the resources. ice has had its hand tied behind its back. >> if you have local cops checking immigration. illegal immigrants would be afraid to report crimes and afraid to come out of the shadows and that will hurt police work. wife would we think the sanctuary city would only work for nonviolent the good illegal immigrants. if you were a violent illegal immigrant, why wouldn't you go to sax area city. one group of cops has openly pledged we are not going to work with the other group of cops. >> i think the biggest problem is we have no order. no one knows who is on first there are no resources to do this. congress has not paid enough attention to this and the president hasn't. we have been fighting about this for years. nothing has ever resolved. when you go farther down the chain i

sanctuary cities are impeding the federal government. they are jeopardizing the safety of our citizens. legislation cowritten by lamarr smith prohibited states and localities from becoming sanctuaries from unlawful aliens. the act of 1996 ensures that jurisdictions cannot prohibit restrictive government officials from sending to, or receiving from immigration authorities information regarding the status of any person, regarding immigration. the justice department has never initiated a prosecution for violation of the 1996 act. if the administration will not act, congress must. that is what mr. hunter's bill does. it will withhold acts -- withhold grants from sanctuary jurisdictions. it will make them abide by current federal law and advance public safety. mr. hunter has made the important first step, but there is much more we have to do. once these illegal aliens have been identified, it is crucial that they hold them so dhs can begin the removal proceedings. within the first eight months of 2014, sanctuary cities refused to comply for 80

he said sanctuary cities make cities overall safer.what he said. >> so in 2014 these sanctuary cities released 8,000 criminals back into society here in the united states disregarding the immigration orders coming from i.c.e. 8,000 folks set to be deported sanctuary cities sent them back into our communities and they committed 7,500 additional crimes. it's not just the horrible tragedy with the lady in san francisco that could have been avoided. these are 7,500 other crimes -- rape child abuse, dui all sorts of things occurring in our communities because of these sanctuary cities which are a beacon to draw these folks in and commit crimes. >> congressman yoder, thank you. >> thanks. >>> a very big day for online shopping. retailers want to create a new online day to match christmas at the mall. to gerri willis on why black friday? >> massive, massive online sales today. it was christmas in july. led by amazon celebrating its 20th anniversary with thousands of what they called lightning deals. let me show you what they had on sale. thou

. >>> our next guest announced they will vote on federal law enforcement money from doing to sanctuary cities. more than 200 cities refusing to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. joining us tonight is the chair of the senate border security caucus. senator, good to have you with us. >> great to be here. >> let me start first with iran and just your quick take on the deal that secretary kerri has conclude with the iranians. >> i >> my quick take on the details i've seen is it's a very bad deal. i felt we were moving this way for months and now it's been sealed. i think it's bad for the u.s. israel and freedom. number one, it's going to undertone terms allow iran to eventually get a nuclear weapon by the very terms of the deal and number two, i think there are so many loopholes in terms of verification that iran is going to cheat sooner rather than later. >> and on immigration, you have been for years, putting forward legislation that would remove federal funding, law enforcement funding for sanctuary cities. this is now a major national issue. it should be. >> yeah. it's about tim

. >>> our next guest announced they will vote on federal law enforcement money from doing to sanctuary cities. more than 200 cities refusing to cooperate with federal immigration authorities. joining us tonight is the chair of the senate border security caucus. senator, good to have you with us. >> great to be here. >> let me start first with iran and just your quick take on the deal that secretary kerri has conclude with the iranians. >> i >> my quick take on the details i've seen is it's a very bad deal. i felt we were moving this way for months and now it's been sealed. i think it's bad for the u.s. israel and freedom. number one, it's going to undertone terms allow iran to eventually get a nuclear weapon by the very terms of the deal and number two, i think there are so many loopholes in terms of verification that iran is going to cheat sooner rather than later. >> and on immigration, you have been for years, putting forward legislation that would remove federal funding, law enforcement funding for sanctuary cities. this is now a major national issue. it should be. >> yeah. it's about tim

i'd like to address your dangerous sanctuary city policies. you a picture here of kate steinle. she was murdered by an illegal alien who had been deported five times over six felony convictions. for some reason the city of san francisco let this guy out. even though the feds said hold him. i'm here to find out why you did that. this sanctuary city policy that you guys still support is costing lives. how many more lives is it going to take for you guys to readdress this policy? i didn't hear a lot of regret today. you guys have you been ignoring the issue running and hiding. you know what kate said her words? look at the picture guys. you aren't looking. are you afraid? i know it's tough. her last words were help me. help me. why aren't you guys helping her? you guys are public officials. you guys are accountable to people here. you guys are supposed to protect people. >> thank you very much. next speaker please. >> here's waters reaction from san francisco. >> a stroll along the pier in san francisco turns tragic. >> 32-year-old kate steinle di

is that the strategy behind sanctuary cities? release them and wait until they victimize someone else? is that what we mean by coming forward? the president and others constantly talk about comprehensive immigration reform, but they are light on the details when it comes to enforcement and background checks. they fundamentally fail to understand that border securities, both boarders, by the way, both of them, and internal security are fundamental conditions precedent to fixing our broken immigration system. mr. steinle, about a year ago, there was a precious little girl waiting on the steps of the capitol for me after votes. and i knew what was coming. and so i could not walk past her. i knew or suspected that she would repeat those phrases that so-called advocates teach children to repeat to members of congress. but i had to stop, as any father of a daughter would. and i stopped and the little girl said, i want to pray for you. none of the stuff that the advocates tell the children say. she had i want to pray for you. so i picke

part of the chat i brought up the sanctuary city problem. >> are you going to crack down on sanctuaryreason why a lot of those folks do it -- in new york why do police officers turn a blind eye? because they want them to report crime. >> with us now fox news anchor. that was seven years ago and the reason that she did the interview with me is because barack obama had. not on the campus but right off it. there was seven years ago another murder. this one in los angeles that we had been talking about. fill us in on that. >> a young boy 17 years old walking through the streets with his backpack that had spiderman on it. it he pcame thebecame the victim of a gang-related crime. he had a bright future ahead of him. his mother served two tours in baghdad. his murder was a travesty. there had been too many stories. >> no improvement in seven years. >> when this thug in san francisco killed ms. steinle. he can come back at will. hillary clinton i still don't think would crack down on sanctuary cities. >> she said she would back ice in this case. saying because of the egregious nature of the c

of president at candidates some of home are now uncomfort abily running from past defense of sanctuary cities and wide open borders this week hillary clinton said san francisco should not have released sanchez from jail. >> city made a mistaking not to deport someone that federal government strongly felt should be deported. lou: that was hardly her position in 2,000 7, she supported sanctuary cities then. >> if local law enforcement begins to alike immigration enforcement officers, what that means is that you will have people not reporting crime you will have people hiding from the police and i think that is a real direct threat to the personal safety and security of all citizens, this is a result of failure of federal government that is where it needs to be fixed. >> critic say that obama administration practiced form of defacto sanctuary across the queunry. youqueunry. country, with relaxing enforcement of immigration laws and i.c.e. released more than 66,000 criminal illegal immigrants in past two years into u.s. society. we take up the policies and sanctuary cities talking with congressco

you talked about sanctuary cities when it wasn't cool to talk about sanctuary cities.used to be a thing in america until people who said we should have secure borders and more importantly internal enforcement, domestic enforcement inside the united states, that became a villainous possession, it became an unacceptable racist ultrato hold about enforcement when it changes, you remember the arizona law, if you're stopped for another crime, you can be inquired as to citizenship status. that was the tipping point and you were not allowed to say sanctuary cities were a bad idea. now it's back in the news. lou: chris you said i was cool before it was cool. but you have to go back so far that it reminds me i've aged a couple of years since then. >> it's retro, lou, it's retro. lou: yesteryear is in, i guess. chris stirewalt, good to have you with us. >> thank you, lou. lou: vote in our poll -- why aren't people paying attention? give us a thought and a vote. loudobbs.com. >>> day two of the pamplona bull run continues to bring on the gore, clever word play, don't you think? t

writing -- hillary clinton believes sanctuary cities can help further public safety she has defended those policies going back year. >> our next guest said that hillary clinton would be a sanctuary president martha blackburn has written -- will eye member of the budget committee vice chair of house energy and commerce committee. can you believe that hillary clinton would say such a thing. tray gaudi was beseed himself. >> this is one of reason that people don't like hillary clinton, and they don't trust her, she seems to have situational awareness. will come back and forth with what she believes or not believe, she was for the sanctuary city, she was against the sanctuary city, whatever suits the moment, we. but the fact is we have 200 sanctuary cities, what they are doing is choosing to operate in violation of federal law. that is why since 2007 i had the clear act. and why we require the feds to come in and do their job and work with local law enforcement. lou: lets me ask you 2007, george w. bush in white house the fact is that two years previous a republican congress and senate. w

sanctuary cities.it's apples past oranges here. that not withstanding, obviously the blame game owes on here. the g.o.p. presidential candidate ben carson, doctor, good to have you. you might heard joshern neace' and we heard from a day who lost his son in the case of an illegal shat shouldn't have been here deported and got back here. you know the drill sadly. it's a repeated drill and he is so frustrated, the dad. he specks only donald trump is speaking to his needs. what do you say? >> my heart goes out to him and a number of us are extremely concerned about this whole sanctuary city mess, but even more importantly the illegal immigration problem we have. i've spoken very strongly about that and we need to go ahead and solve the problem. we have the ability to do it. we don't have the will to do it. >> what do you want to do? what should we do? >> what i would do is secure the borders, north south east, and west. that does not necessarily mean you have to build fences and walls. we can take advantag

sanctuary cities where this guy announced he was hanging out there because it was a sanctuary city. they have reasons for doing what they are doing have a responsibility to their citizens. here's the thing. i think also the steinle's are being so smart about wanting to be involved in the intricacies of the law because a law just proposing it does not solve problems. ushering it through that process does. >> that's right. >> can make an impact. and i think that's really smart because i don't have faith in every sing dwell law to say do what it says it's going to do. >> kate steinle's name is on it juan. i'm going to give you the last word. her parents certainly in this republic have first priority/çfíxwl:└i!g v«hb>q(ç7i.mgÑwr0Ñ 4bh9lpri>e"&v sp2t0 congress people and senators what they would like to see. >> i think that adds real personal power. that's how you get politicians bill make it human. you are not just talking policy and these parents have lost a child. argue about the value of sanctuary cities. i know president obama and his justice department are really hard right now in

lou: it is very clear too, that the sanctuary cities are really one of the basic premises of the sanctuary reason for existing a distrust of their own law enforcement officers. an implicit insult to men and women in uniform serving those cities in those communities. >> sure, obviously, with the police. their understanding of the police culture in mexico anyway, they know it's corrupt. and so they don't trust the police and that carries over. it's cultural and behavioral, and it's a hard thing we're trying to get over right now. i made a decision a long time ago to participate in the secure communities act that was ended by this administration that fostered this agreement between local police and i.c.e. officials and identifying criminal illegal aliens and deporting them out of united states. i still made the decision to cooperate. i have an ethical obligation under the law enforcement code of ethics to cooperate with other law enforcement agencies so i continue to do so, not take political hits at home. lou: i know you are no stranger to the political hits and you bear up and get as good a

not all from sanctuary cities but this has been a big issue and it's meant as much to embarrass thosewho support the cities. right? >> that's where you have had democrats like nancy pelosi, and the top democrat from california to say we could solve this problem if we passed immigration reform because the cities wouldn't be able to dodge the federal law. >> thank you my friend. now, what this has donees conflate a lot o issues sometimes that aren't quite joined at the legal hip here. a woman's son was killed by an illegal. this was not a sanctuary city but the issue is jerry main. she says because it concerned an illegal immigrant who shove shoo not have the been here shep met with donald trump and from what i understand you like the message he is sending on illegals in the border and bringing the nation's atte' to this. >> i appreciate him very much for doing that. because he did in about two minutes with a few words maybe not the way some people would like to hear it, but he said in a few words what we have been waiting for to be brought forth bus we have been in the trenches other m

in addition to being a sanctuary city at least in some areas. o has changed the city drastically in 18 months. de blasio has managed to alienate the entire new york city police force and preside over a declining environmental situation which is quickly reaching critical mass. with us now fred segal senior fellow at the manhattan institute. you know i come in the city every day i live along rhode island. traffic is paralyzed. you can't move. beggars everywhere. that is totally different change than from the bloomberg situation. they are wiping your windshields and following you down the street. violent crime going up, all right. regular crime declining still. but violent crime going um. what is the essential problem with de blasio. >> de blasio. de blasio during his campaign he would rhetorically promise to do all sorts of things. now his promise as a campaigner have trapped him as a mayor. so he said he would eliminate homelessness. he brought in a guy to run homeless policies, an advocate for the homeless. what's followed has been stalemate. >>

cities. how about vulnerable tax-paying americans? i hear about sanctuary for thugs like the one that killed kate steinle. shouldn't our city be a sanctuary for law-abiding american citizens who have a right to walk on safe streets? make no mistake, this is a very, very important bill. from 2010 to 2014, the number 121 should stick in everybody's minds. 121 illegal immigrants with lengthy criminal records went on to commit murder after they were let out to do this -- their heinous crimes. that's why i was so appalled to hear one of my colleagues across the aisle call the murder of american citizens like kate steinle and my constituent, grant ronnebeck, a little thing. such disgusting remarks and flagrant disregard for life especially the lives of those that we claim to represent i find repulsive. in fact such calous remarks only serve to -- callous remarks only shows americans wanting us to protect our borders and citizens and stand up and take america back. it's time to stand up and be heard and demand that the federal government fulfills this most basic d

releasing this guy he not only followed the law but he was doing the right thing. >> being a sanctuary city makes san francisco safer or more dangerous? >> it makes it safer. i firmly believe it makes it safer. we're a world renowned city with a large immigrant population. of that population is a population that is also here undocumented. for a law enforcement perspective we want to build trust with that population and our sanctuary city and other laws have allowed us to do that. >> former l.a. homicide detective and fox news contributor. so you are in los angeles. he is in san francisco. not only does he stand by the policy but goes on to say he will continue to ignore ice detainer requests. he is going to continue to do it. with a woman dead on the streets he is standing by the policy. >> megyn, when you listen to him and you hear his words and you read his words he doesn't sound too sharp. i think he has probably been drinking the kool aid in san francisco. and he is on board with not doing a job which is far easier than doing a job. i don't suspect that his deputies share his feelings.

because of that criminals are what's going to sanctuary cities like this. don't think they deserve federal funds. we're not talking about illegals who came here for better life. we're talking about criminals that are drawn to sanctuaries because one lopez sanchez said that was the reason he went to san francisco. >> yes, he was a multiple felon, as well. chuck, what do you think of this? pull federal funding? >> i think the cities are trying to put a band-aid on a chest wound. the federal government won't stand up and do anything. as the criminal came across the border five times. we passed a nonpartisan bill in the senate that would have doubled security to make sure this doesn't happen. do you agree or disagree with the sanctuary cities? these people are dealing with a immigration at local level. but we should fix the overall problem, you'll fix criminals like this coming across the border. >> lisa now should taxpayers be footing the bill for this? >> they shouldn't. look this horrific tragedy underscored the lawlessness that we've seen in the country when

i'm asking did you encourage any city from trying to become a sanctuary cities. >> well, look. >> that is critical if you are not trying to do anything to encourage cities to be a sanctuary cities. >> irrespective of what label you put on it, there are now 300 jurisdictions that have to one degree or another erected limitations on the ability to cooperate with us. >> and did you do anything to prevent any of those 300 cities -- >> public safe -- >> did you do anything to prevent any of those cities from becoming a sanctuary cities. >> a lot of jurisdictions that i meet with probably regard themselves as sanctuary cities. >> i think it is clear you don't want to admit it, but i think it is clear you did not try to discourage any city from becoming a sanctuary cities. one more question. the president said in regard to the surge last summer of illegal immigrants, particularly those coming from central america, they were going to be sent home. it is my understanding that roughly 92% are still in the united states. why hasn't the president kept his promise to return those individuals home?

speaker sanctuary cities. it has almost a utopian sound to it doesn't it? well as the speaker knows, the definition of sanctuary is a place of refuge and safety. my folks in fran and my colleagues who support this policy, is a refuge for whom? a sanctuary for whom? a refuge for kate steinle? a sanctuary for kate steinle or a refuge for a convicted felon with a 25-year-long criminal history? so the phrase sounds benign. but it was no sanctuary for her. it may have been for him. but it sure as hell wasn't for her. mr. speaker, my message to san francisco would be simple, you won't honor our detainers, we won't honor your warrants. if detainers are too much for you to handle perhaps federal money will be too much undocumented immigrants. now that house hearing. it is about two hours. >>> the immigration subcommittee will come to order. i want to start this morning with a matter of requesting reports from department of homeland security for the potential beneficiaries of hr-422 for the relief of corina and hr-396 for the relief of maria ramirez and jay rojas. fr

many but people come here over and over again who commit crimes and take lives but people in sanctuary citiesey know that. there is some culpability on the part of the constituents in places like san francisco. if you know how your city function if you know they're not communicating with the federal government then that is partly your responsibility. >> well clearly the cities are getting the word out, sandra, even this guy, sanchez lopez said if they find me guilty in the court i will not be mad about that. i'm not paraphasing him. >> that was disturbing to hear him say that how can you force change in sanctuary cities if he is not acknowledging there is a problem? i didn't listen to every word he said but i never heard him criticize the sanctuary cities. >> no he didn't. i asked if he reached out to kate steinle's family he hadn't and not clear if any other members of the administration had. that is question you might have thought he was prepared to get because we've been talking about it as a nation for several days. we'll move on. >>> for the first time donald trump is leading a new natio

why does a sanctuary city even exist?now some people don't like that term but what is it and why does it even exist? >> it exists because there are some communities that were not happy with ice imforcement or immigration enforcement in general. they work together with cooperation from ice. an ice program that identified victims in jail. sanctuary cities have been around and the problem got worse as ice enforcement got more aggressive. >> there's two schools of thought. we need sanctuary cities because ice enforcement is random and chases a lot of people it shouldn't and discriminates. on the other side you hear ice -- i mean this is a federal government fighting with the local government. >> it's ridiculous to have two parts of our government fight with each other. we should come together and sit down like the mayor of san francisco said and rethink. no one wants violent, criminal felons to be on the streets. ice and san francisco should work together. >> san francisco says by the way, there are a ton of cities like this.

san francisco is a sanctuary city and proud of it. violent crimes committed by criminal aliens have happened there before. city authorities refuse to say how many because they know it's a huge scandal a black mark on the history of san francisco the most tolerant of cities. the family of kate steinle asking for calm, not vengeance. but talking points is not as charitable. in 1996, president bill clinton signed the illegal immigration reform and responsibility act which stipulated that local and state authorities were to cooperate with the feds in apprehending illegal aliens, especially criminals. in 2007, then mayor gavin newsom issued an executive order stating that as a sanctuary city san francisco would not would not cooperate with federal authorities on illegal immigration matters and would protect even criminal aliens. the feds did nothing. in 2010, the obama administration open lid -- openly said it would not punish cities that refused to obey the 1996 immigration law. so here's the deal. the mayor and city supervisors of san fra

what is a sanctuary city?ht now is a place where folks who are not supposed to be here even with misdemeanor and felony evictions with go -- convictions can be protected and not deported. the only place right now safe in sanctuary cities are folks in violation of our immigration laws. >> you mentioned kate steinle. the man who is sitting in jail right now for her murder deported a number of times and kept coming back in the country. the sheriff said when he released him that he had no authority to hold him anymore because the federal charges were over and also he had no state charges. they let him go. isis said we had a detainer on him and the sheriff says it's not enough to hold anybody. >> it is in most jurisdictions and during the bush administration. what was he taken san francisco for? an old drug case. drugs may not still be illegal in san francisco, i don't know. but heavens know they are not going to prosecute an old drug case so they had a warrant. why not -- they wound up dismissing the warrant, gret