the city and county of sandford cisco board of appeals rules of board of a field -- san francisco board of appeals stipulates at the discretion of the president, except with a starter, other rules to provide required procedure, meeting shall be conducted rules of order. the board has conducted meetings not in conformance with the rules of order. i am bringing this to the attention of the board and requesting it comply with the san francisco charterer and the city board of appeals rules of the board of appeals when conducting its meeting. thank you. >> thank you. is there any other public comment? seeing none, we will move on to commissioner's comments and questions. item number three, for your consideration are the meetings and who -- the minutes for the may 18, 2011 meeting. >> seeing none, i will move for adoption during good >> is there any public comment on -- i will move for adoption. >> is there any public comment on this item and? we will move to the role of h -- to calling the role. [calling fovotes] >> this is adopted. >> item 4a, a jurisdiction request. the board received a le

parks are no sandford cisco is probably 1200 tobacco and permits. -- >> in san francisco, it is probably 1200 tobacco permits. i am not sure if they get to that many each year. >> conditioners? the -- commissioners bowman -- commissioners? >> vice president garcia, were you about to say something? commissioner garcia: i wish the department would do an analysis of how this works out in dollar figures for an individual operator, and let's take an assumption that all the figures are exactly correct your year of 30 days was decided -- are exactly correct. 30 days was decided. that might seem reasonable to some people, of the fact that it is the first offense, and we can all assume they did not just kesse and the first time they sold cigarettes, but we should assume that. they said they have never done it iaside from this time, and then you compare the find is someone who sells liquor to a minor region -- compare the fine to someone who sells liquor to a minor. my memory is it is something like $100, so we are saying -- maybe some people feel like this, that tobacco -- the sale of tobacco, wh

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