travis the chimp lived with sandra harold for 14 years, five years before the attack, sandra's husband died. also her only daughter died in a traffic accident. so some say that sandra turned to travis the chimp for companionship. is the bottom line here, dr. judy, that people have to realize that primates cannot be used as replacements for people in normal human social interaction? >> seeing the travis the chimp on that machine is what we call anthropomorphiizing, making the manl like a person. it is true. you know this, being an animal lover and having three dogs yourself, people form that's called the human/animal companion bond. it's very strong and people often research shows use the pet even more than a friend because the pets don't talk back, because they love you constantly. so this is positive for many people, for many types of pets, but other types of pets, it's not appropriate as we heard from jack. >> these are not pets. you might call them pets but they ain't pets at the end of the day. this attack happened on february 16th when sandra harold, the woman who kept the chimp a