we will be talking with mandy and founder, sandra joyce. that's next. this is bloomberg. ♪ >> you don't have to move tanks. you don't have to moon armies -- move armies. you could just use your keyboard, which you think as an active art of war in an a symmetric manner. it is also something very difficult to move back against. if russia strikes us with a cyber blow, what is the u.s. going to do? that is definitely what is considered as an excellent use of his arsenal. caroline: that was former u.s. assistant secretary for homeland security, matt hayden, talking about the threat of cyberattacks from russia. not just on ukraine but here in the west. let's bring in mandiant head of global intelligence, sandra joyce, to talk more about that. the most phenomenal resume in terms of the amount of masters degrees you hold in international affairs. talk to us in the here and now, what you are telling your clients, how worried they need to be. sandra: what we are telling them is they need to be prepared, but not to panic. the fact of the matter is that russian cyb

emily: sandra joyce, head of mandiant intelligence. thank you for your perspective on this.oming up, forward looking at ways to separate its ev operations from its legacy business, according to a bloomberg scoop, in the hope of getting the kind of investor respect enjoyed by tesla. >> i really admire frankly the difficulties they had and the way they manage to those difficulties into the success they had. they are now making more than $10,000 a vehicle because of their scale. i like that kind of business. ♪ emily: ford ceo jim farley wants to wall off ev from its conventional business. they want the same investor love of tesla and other pure play ev makers. they could have a new edge in an electric age. ed ludlow broke the story. what is farley trying to accomplish here? ed: sources tell us there are a lot of options on the table. the end goal is to have the ev business stand on its own two feet. sources say the spinoff or ipo of the ev unit is an option. the spinoff or ipo of the legacy gas business is an option. or restructuring internally, where they act as two different

i've been speaking with sandra and joyce here. you don't think this is going to work.are going to stick around. >> oh, we're here until the end. we're going to take a stand. all the mandates will be dropped and trudeau will resignment. >> reporter: that's how you think this will enfinish. >> it has to end that way. >> reporter: what if he stands his ground? >> well, you know what? the people of canada outnumber trudeau and his elites, and as they see things happening and coursing, they're going to stand up. i totally believe in the canadian people. we want freedom, we want justice, and this is the only place i've come lately where i've felt if total love. >> reporter: you drove five hours to be here. >> yeah. and if i met a lady who drove down from alberta, three weeks here, had to go home for an emergency, canadians are passionate. >> reporter: why do you think the federal government doesn't seem to be listening to your demands and it's a protest against mandates and, as you see it, too much federal power, and their response to that is more federal powers. >> justin t