joining us are steve everily, from ithaca, new york, sandra steingraver. and from pittsburgh, dr. d goldstein, a former dean of the university of pittsburgh school of health. sandra, let's start with you. we heard from the edf that this new study shows there is a problem with methane release, but that the way to capture it is working. what is your reaction. >> i see this as a really deeply flawed study. what bothers me is not only the industry funding of the study, but also the control the industry had over access to these well sites. so what -- typically what happened in a study who's results are very different from other studies would be some kind of explanation for that difference. and in fact, independent scientists in our own government have measured methane above our wellheads at 10 to 20 times what was found in this study. so this makes me wonder if this isn't something like studies from funded by the tobacco or lead industries lead to flawed studies. >> okay. and he said they plan to do more studies. would that help? >> we need to look at all wellheads, rather than just han