serious questions about what sandy berger was actually doing their, but probably for a different time up happening is she was sentenced to -- he was sentenced no, penalties to speak of. david pretorius improperly shared classified documents with his biographer with whom he was also having an affair. that brought him down as cia director but ultimately he just got probation and a $100,000 fine. there are cases of government employees, very junior pple, who mishandle classified documents for pretty mundane purposes. i tell the story of one woman was unab to acce documents she was using for classified dissertaon she was writing. she had taken three other classify dissertations because covirestrictions would not allow her to go into a secured classified intelligence facility anymore but if she was given three months in prison and basically had her entire career destroyed. joe biden has been in washington longer than anyone at this point and is the opinion be of the kind of career politician who has made their entire prayer of washington and biden himself tank the nomination for jimmy card

do you remember sandy berger? he took documents. he shoved them down his pants, socks. everybody said, he's just sloppy. he didn't do it on purpose. it accidentally fell into his pants. either way, according to the media mob and the democratic party, this is a serious offense. let's listen to what biden said only four short months ago when he was on "60 minutes" one of those rare interviews that he gave. take a look. >> when you saw the photograph of the top secret documents laid out on the floor at mar a-lago, what did you think to yourself, looking at that image? >> how that could possibly happen. how anyone could be that irresponsible. and i thought what data was in there that may compromise sources and methods? by that i mean names of people who helped, etc? and just totally irresponsible. >> sean: how could anyone be that irresponsible? all right. tonight maybe biden should be asking himself that question. now, of course, joe biden doesn't need to defend himself. why should he? he's got don lemon, liberal morning joe, ladies of "the view." he's got two fake news ne

this goes back to the sandy berger case. and you had classification of a server under hillary clinton. and the trump problem with classified documents in his home. there's a bit of a culture problem here. we're going to have to fix it. you don't have to be a republican or a democrat to get to that conclusion. this is bad. now, we're relying on the lawyers to tell us what it is or what it isn't. one document, that's what is so important about this. one document in the hands of an intelligence professional can cost somebody their life. you can re-engineer the information on the document. that's why they're classified. you have documents about foreign nations. my understanding is there's some top secret special compartmented information, meaning the top level of security and concern for the documents. so, the first thing we ought to be doing candidly is figuring out how much damage was done. we don't know who had access to the documents. people would be better off to let this play out and get the special counsel. i believe if y

the only way for him to leave with classified documents is to do a sandy berger, jam it down your pantsey: socks. >> brian: back of the pants. wear baggy suits in the 70s. so, you have to go a separate area. you are senator. i don't care how sensitive the document is you have got to go i'm taking this home. i'm bored on the train and tired of reading mystery level i might as well bring top secret intelligence. >> ainsley: democrats saying we want transparency too. ro khanna on with john roberts the university of pennsylvania that needs to be investigated. we need to find out why they gave them so much money and if that was connected to the biden office in d.c. that had classified documents, too. and what was in these classified documents? who ho had access. did hunter biden walk in the garage and go through classified documents and tell burisma or boards he was sitting on what information they knew. >> brian: grab documents took his shirt off and took a picture we don't know. is he good at that. >> ainsley: maybe all of the above. >> brian: that's criminal behavior. also what is crimina

elizabeth: clinton's, sandy berger, right?s, he was clinton's national security advisor. >> right. elizabeth: remember sandy berger before he testified before the 9/11 commission he stuffed classified documents into his socks. >> right. elizabeth: what happened to him, he was sentenced to two years probation. he served 100 hours of community service around he was stripped of his security clearance, he lost his law license. but this is okay that the president or anybody's allowed to have classified documents like this at a think tank that is getting funding from china? final word. >> no, it's not. when democrats do something like that it is considered sloppy or irresponsible. when republicans do it it is criminal. this is another example of a two-tiered system of justice at doj. elizabeth: got it. congressman comer, congratulations again. we'll have you back on. >> thank you. elizabeth: this story coming up, msnbc's joy reid gets fact checked in her fight with congressman byron donalds. the house gop takes first steps into impe

unless we all have been lied to and senators are allowed to walk out and sandy berger just overreactingry senate in front of the cameras in front of the cameras so clear you can't leave including rand paul yesterday. >> steve: i believe sandy berger wound up going to the national archives is a repository for all the presidential documents. that is where he wound up -- >> ainsley: just lawmakers, just senators and congressman. are they -- they are the only ones that get to go in the scif. if you are the president though, we saw joe biden when he was vice president holding that folder said classified documents looked like he was in the oval office. >> brian: the white house is a scif when you are there. the building is a scif. that's where it is. the folder isn't the problem. what is inside. >> ainsley: photographers in the room when he was holding that information. >> brian: i know. >> steve: obviously, members of congress, if they have got certain clearance, they can look at it. their staffs, if they have got top secret clearance can look at it. so it's, you know, it's a tiny sliver of

there was former cia director john deutsch, former national security adviser, sandy berger with both prosecutors in convicted under a federal criminal prohibition against the unauthorized removal and retention of classified information. so this issue is not a novel. former ca, director david betray us, was also found guilty of doing the same when he shared some classified information with his mistress. now, with regard to mr. biden himself, that was very important here, is you'll notice that mary garland, the attorney general, said that the special counsels got to comply with the policies of the department of justice. well, there is one policy which has been around for a long time when i was there, but i wasn't, it didn't support it that says you cannot indict or prosecute an incumbent president. and in fact, when mr. trump was being investigated by mister mall, or he didn't answer questions that were raised by him. he said he would only respond to things that he did before he was president, or they didn't push it. they didn't subpoena him. if we really want to restore, try in the sy

i think there's huge chunks the administration but is the habit sandy berger the national security ad getting ultimately going to jail because he had gone to national archive in the least knock documents are secret in his socks, and it is underwear. got caught. hillary clinton raised 32,000 emails and broke a hard drive with a hammer be very curious of john kerry has had. interestingly documents are initially discovered are documents that do relate to ukraine into a ran release ukraine at a time when hunter biden was the bagman for was basically a criminal family. the joe biden's is operation it made perfect sense if you ever saw "the sopranos" you understand exactly what's going on. >> who had access to these documents? that question was posed to the prosecutor today i was three she sung to the white house counsel's office is not returning anyone's calls as far as we could tell, certainly not our peter doocy's calls. so again, was there any sharing of office space hunter biden? any chinese officials have any access to the space? as i was who they had a lot of money invested in this

maybe pulled a sandy berger and put them in his jacket. who knows.been doing this a long time. the university of delaware documents, they need to do a review of those. that's where the senate records are. i will suggest something here. their needs to be a federal grand jury investigating not by pens. we know what happened with pence. it's pretty obvious. but the various locations. they have a grand jury for trump and we know where his documents are. they know where the documents are. they were negotiating over the documents for some reason and they decided to criminalize the entire event. they wouldn't give the documents back. are you kidding me? it's a matter of timing in negotiating these things. you don't run around yelling obstruction. there is no obstruction. you have these phony legal analysts and these pathetic professors running around. there is no obstruction. the fbi could have taken them anytime they wanted. they know where they were. they were protected by the secret service. in the case of biden he has documents from the senate and docum

and i think there was momentum to do that and along came the 9/11, i think, probably, >> sandy berger took the document out after 9/11. it moved on. now, oona, you seem to think that we do way over classify things. the law is hard to comply with. i think that was hillary clinton's problem with the servers, separating her personal from the government things. she had conversations with former tecra terry of state colin powell about the issue. -- former secretary of state colin powell about the issue. having problems complying with the law. the exact law that we are talking about here, that classified these documents, i understand it is a new law that was put together by press people and everybody. they wanted everything generated in the government to stay in the government. so that in the future, they could come along and --host: got your point tom, thank you for the question. ms. hathaway: senator moynihan saw this before anyone else and was a big advocate for china deal with this problem. this is before things have spiraled out of control. this is bad for government because in the end

. >> i thoughts sandy berger was his mechanic in america divorce rate for marriage is 40 to 50% how aboutmarriages. >> brenberg is right. tie game. >> wow. >> numbers guy does not disappoint. >> numbers right here. >> come back. kennedy: in 2020, a pair of air jordans game worn by mike add jordan in 1985, ssold for how much? everyone says over, this is a surprise, it was under 560 thousand. >> what. kennedy: i would have thought a couple million. >> sneaker heads love michael jordan, they call him the jump man. >> a group of perdue engineer students studied how many human licks it takes to get to the center of a tootsie pop, how many on average over or under 230? >> po over, over, you think, boys in lead. you have 5. >> i did it when i was a kid. >> 202 licks. >> that is how he got into perdue. boilermaker. how many calories are in a king size snicker's bar? >> under. >> over. and this is where tom takes lead. >> no. >> under 440. >> really. >> two more. accord percentage of instagram users are male. tom said over, alli said under, brenberg over, the boys have it. >> they want to look at

you get them short ofbe remember when bill clinton was president the national security advisor sandy bergerho tookas classified documents frosim the skiff, stuff them down his underwear because he wanted torg smuggle them out if he was very good at them he got caught. i don't know if joe biden didgod the skiff. i don't know any otheroc senator who's ever done that. t >> this leads me to anothe topic i would get your take on that is term limits. this is the issue with people going to congress there for 30 or 40 or 50 years you begin to think it's about union of this unlimited power you treated thil week that you would like to have a vote on term limits. i think your voters would likee that as well. >> absolutely you want to talk h about an issue with widespread partisan agreement, term limits a super majority is more than 70% of americans support term limit more than 70% of republicans, more than two thirds every democrats, more than two thirds of independence it's a massive support there is one group that doesn't support term limits and that is career. politicians in washington and all of t

kennedy: sandy berger right. >> that is what i'm thinking, i can't say everyone does it, i don't think that. and i have to say, both of you have said, this is different than what happened with trump. kennedy: because we're honest. >> that is is the truth, you have on trump fun house glasses to say this is the same, i think trump is trying to get people to think there is an equivalency to defuse the attention from his wrong doing, in his case, national archives asked for over a year to return the document he's took. kennedy: but did they ask nicely. larry, don't they all do this, didn't president obama leave with 30 million pages. >> we keep better track of library books, are there not people from blockbuster who know how to keep track of these. come on, it is insane. if you want to take documents, i get it i don't know why you need them, you can't somehow check them out through view them somehow virtually or a handler, when i was in marine corps, i was in intelligence, there are ways to take care of this, this drives me crazy. kennedy: librarian or a libertarian. >> yes. kennedy: somet

. >> raymond: with sandy berger who went in and shove documents into his pants so this is like a jurassick review. the data source are doing the same things, our lack of outrage tends to drop but it shouldn't. this is a major national security crisis in some ways. more than the trump situation. those documents were packed by the national archives and sent to mar-a-lago. someone in the biden administration or close to him packed these documents and stored them at this private office. that is a bigger deal. >> harris: you gave us a lot to work with there, kennedy i want to talk about the university append. and during the trump presidency the treasurer, i mean the secretary of education was looking at how much money these universities were getting by putting up centers may be in people's names. if your name was biden, you could raise a lot of money for that center. so it is interesting. maybe he doesn't member everything that was in there but these are in a locked closet -- >> kennedy: were they? the president doesn't know. he was like it was a cabinet, maybe a locker, maybe a locked closet.

was there any alter or as sandy berger who was prosecuted under this statute for taking documents and when they realized he had them he sort of altered them. they determined there was no criminal liability because there was no knowledge or intent. petraeus also prosecuted under this statute. he took them and gave them to his biographer who he was having a relationship with and they determined the dissemination tipped it over to criminal. all of these things are what the special counsel has to look at before he can determine whether this is inadvertent, nonintentional, not willful, therefore not criminal or whether it implicates criminal law that requires the national security section and him collectively to make a determination does this fit in the norms of prosecution. >> all really good points to compare. people forget. they think this is only beginning with trump's alleged mishandling or confirmed mishandling and think this is a confined universe of this never happens. of course it goes back to the idea of why is this consistently happening? i keep going back to the moment, if it w

>> well, sometimes it's intentional by the principal himself, the case of sandy berger who went to thehives to retrieve a document, tried to steal it, got himself in a heap of trouble doing it. didn't realize there were surveillance cameras watching him. general petreas, a woman writing a book happened to be somebody he was having a relationship with. they had sanctions. if it's accidental and unintentional and just sort of a mishap of the chaos of leaving a high office, then nothing happens. those are not infrequent and they're not frequent. it will shine light on this problem and hopefully future presidents and their staff are going to be much more compliant with the regulations that are very important for national security. >> what we know or not know enough, what are some of the questions you have now about this new batch, revealed five more documents discovered -- pages, rather -- in the former vice president's private residence? >> ever since the trump probable cause subpoena and the search warrant, it's been pretty clear this is not a scandal anymore. this is a criminal proceedi

by bill clinton's former national security advisor sandy berger who took documents out of the archivesluding those in his socks, he noticed punishments was customer $10,000 fine. he had to relinquish his security clearance for three years and you can go through a long list of people who are in prison for a few months or even years. won that special counsel her prosecuted who was imprisoned for nine years for taking documents home, even though they were never released or sold to anybody else. so, again, the people who are reckless with these documents, there is no punishment starting with the hillary clinton president. secondly, andy mccarthy said this yesterday to us, sean, that he is troubled with for national security purposes when a document that is top-secret goes missing, or even if you have to wonder who saw it because it was in a place that wasn't supposed to be, they, justice, is supposed to do in intelligence damage assessment immediately to find of the sources of compromised or methods that are compromised. i don't see any evidence andy mccarthy said they have done it with re

them short of do you remember when bill clinton was president, his national security adviser, sandy bergerliterally took classified documents from a scif, stuffed them down his underwear because he wanted to smuggle them out, and he wasn't very good at it, he got caught. i don't know if joe biden did that, but i have no idea how he got classified documenteds out of that -- can documents out of that scif. maria: this leads me to another topic, and that is term limits. this is the issue, when people go in to congress and are there for 30, 40, 50 years, you begin to hi it's about you and you have this unlimited power. you'd like to see a vote on term limits. i think our viewers would like that as well. >> look, absolutely. you want to talk about an issue that has widespread and bipartisan agreement, term limits, a supermajority of americans, more than 70% of americans, support term limits. more than 70% of republicans, more than two-thirds of republicans -- of democrats, more than two-thirds of independents. it's a massive support. there's one group that doesn't support term limits, and that

sandy berger got a $10,000 fine for stuffing documents in to his socks and taking them out of the archives. you know, you say they're all different. but we still don't know the content of these. we don't know the motivation for wanting to take them out of these classified situations. so that's important. >> well, as a legal matter, the motivation doesn't matter at all. the content matters quit a lot. particularly the designation of how secret they were. top secret secure information, limited access at a higher level than that as well as top secret documents are supposed to be tracked like library books. the government is supposed to keep track of those. secret documents and those at a lesser level of classification, confidential are not kept track of. the fact that they weren't kept track of -- >> martha: why there isn't a way is pretty baffling. like oh, there's a lot of chaos going on. so we packed up stuff and left. >> that shouldn't cut it. certainly in this days and age, there ought to be a way to keep track of document. they were not kept track of does not diminish the seriousness of

>> martha: this is the problem look at sandy berger, general petraeus, donald trump, look at joe biden, they all i would imagine no it is and everybody does this kind of thing. either this is an indictable offense and it breaks the law, or it doesn't. we need to live in a country where people understand what the law is. and when you are leaving your office it is very clear, sir, ma'am, let's go through every single one of these boxes because you do not want to break the law and be caught with these things in your private office ever. but the problem is you know it's always qualified. it wasn't important, it's a small amount, either it's legal or it's illegal. the other thing i don't like about the story so far is that people are saying well this is going to take the political winds away from the former president because now this president also has this to be concerned about. no. two wrongs do not make a right. that would suggest if they both did it somehow it doesn't matter. you know? maybe i'm being overly purist here, but i was raised to think rules are rules. and here is hillary cli

found at mar-a-lago, whether justified or not with donald trump, seen it with general petraeus, sandy bergerhiding documents in his socks, there is a history of this craziness? why is that? why are these documents so spread out, even institutions that have control of them don't even know where they are or get late wind, oh, this one is missing? >> well, right. that is what we learned about the donald trump case, there was a law, they were looking forespecific documents missing. in joe biden's case doesn't seem there was any log. these were purloined out of the white house without anybody knowing. i know when i handled classified documents i never kept them on my desk. made sure they were in the scif. certainly didn't take them home. i'm surprised how calf clear joe biden was as vice president, would have them within boxes with his corvette in his garage in wilmington. you either apply the rules the same or you end up with this two-tiered system of justice where the biden administration appears to want to go after donald trump. they will use any means necessary. now it has blown up in their f

sandy berger fined and sentenced to two years probation. there didn't seem to be any hesitation with regards to these people regarding what they did with classified documents. at this point, donald trump is a civilian. why is he not treated like every person who is accused of taking and holding classified documents illegally? >> let's be realistic here. there are going to be different results depending on the facts and circumstances. the other thing everyone loses sight of is that every prosecutor has a discretion to charge the case and to prosecute the case in the manner that he or she deems appropriate. you may have a prosecutor that's extremely aggressive, and moves forward in a much more rapid pace, seeking perhaps even harsher penalties than another prosecutor. it's all a matter of discretion. that doesn't mean someone is getting unequal justice as opposed to someone else. that's just the way that our system works. because we allow our prosecutors to exercise their good judgment and exercise discretion depending on the facts and circum

as opposed to say army general petraeus or national security adviser sandy berger, both of those guysnts intentionally, then failed to cooperate fully with the government when they were asking for them. both had to plead guilty to misdemeanor mishandling of the documents. so in the case of biden versus trump, the point of cooperation by biden and apparent lack of cooperation by trump will weigh on the prosecutors, each of them separately, determination about criminal intent. >> i think it's sort of interesting, president biden's personal lawyers, personal staff, who found these different series of documents, right? so now that there's a special counsel appointed, are his personal attorneys prohibited from searching for more documents? what happens now that there's a special counsel? >> well, i would think that the personal lawyers will continue their searches. they want to be in full cooperation mode with the special counsel. and they want to make sure that the special counsel understands that as far as they're concerned, the taking of these documents was inadvertent and immediately u

. >> clinton national security advisor sandy berger got cause stealing documents after stuffing them inside his socks. at issue for the former and current presidents, is how far their presidential preroingtive expands, but can commander in chief elected by millions of people be excused for mishandling the nation's secrets. >> if he was commander and chief at the time, but he was the outgoing vice president. >> current question to consider about their sitting president, i suppose. >> john: and according to national records act, or the presidential records act, that stuff should have gone to the national archives and not into his garage. >> correct, you are not allowed to take any government records with you when you leave office, fun fact, whether they are personal, professional, classified or unclassified, if you wrote them on a government device, they are not yours. >> john: gillian turner with the update. >> ok, thank you. let's bring in brian kilmeade, thank you for being here. always good to have you on a friday. a cover of "the new york post," it is something today, anybody vet

sandy berger, you know, hiding some in his sock, i think, at the time, the national archives wasn't the one that discovered these missing documents. and they're the repository for all of this. that's what's disturbing. >> yeah, that's right, neil. and, you know, to the extent they're not the repository for categories of classified information, that's held by the intelligence agencies under very secure conditions. and even, you know, current presidents and top officials of the government, hair security -- their security clearances give them access to this information, but they're still to bligeed to hold it and safeguard it -- obliged to hold it and safeguard it in the man the law requires. even presidents they have a situation room in the white house because he was to have a secure place to discuss classified things. and other people who get to handle classified information in the government have to handle it in places that the government east is in charge of -- either is in charge of, you know, actual government facilities, or they're places that the government has set up in someone's

perhaps the most egregious, former national security adviser sandy berger who was accused of trying to destroy incriminating evidence before testifying to the 9/11 commission. >> he goes to the national archives and starts stuffing them in his pants and his socks, gets caught by archive staff, runs down the street, and then crumb. s up the paper and throws them into a construction zone and gets caught. >> reporter: when the president packs up to leave the oval office, he and his staff must hand over all classified material to the national archives. do you see that more of a problem with how the material is dealt with from a national security level or their problem? >> so it's a little bit of both i would say. i mean, at the end of the day, individual responsibility matters. >> reporter: that packing process and the entire system of classifying material and handling it, now under scrutiny. >> well, there's a lot more information, a lot more people. i think it's a really good time to look so see whether we are doing those things as well as we would want to. >> and we're joined now by the

this has happened repeatedly with sandy berger, he hit them in his sock. general petraeus.'s a pattern to this that those that would be keeping track of documents that are missing aren't. >> yes, there's some gaps in the system. in theory there's a system in place. the archives in theory know what's classified documents exist, they have a checklist and they can check it off. >> neil: but there's a lot of them. quite a few of them to your point. easier said than done. >> it's humongous. it's like the final scene of raiders of the lost arc. it's a hard job of keeping track of the documents. >> neil: someone else has a whip and someone has a gun. but let me ask you about this whole process though. when someone is taking obviously what they know to be classified documents, that already is breaking the law, is it not? or is it cleared, maybe someone is doing a book or researching, they borrow them. what are the rules on this? >> sure. well, it's definitely breaking the rules if they take classified documents out of the government's custody when they become a private citizen. the

similarly, former national security adviser sandy berger took documents, when they asked about them heem. he, too, had to plead guilty. so legally speaking, what is distinguishing in all of these cases is, once they were revealed -- and there's no explanation other than error for both trump and, i think, biden's initial mishandling. once identified what do they do? and then what did the prosecutor find was done with those documents? i think in the biden case, it will turn out that he was just sloppy and that he was -- >> is that a defense when it comes to top secret, classified information? >> well -- >> like, what a lower-level employee who was sloppy, put it this way -- if there was a lower-level employee who worked at cia, was sloppy and took home top secret national security classified information, would that lower-level aide be able to say, oh, well, i was sloppy. would that be a good defense? >> well, mark said it correctly, that person would lose his security clearance for sure. and probably be asked to leave the government. but it wouldn't necessarily result in a criminal prose

investigation asks all those questions from the day they left the white house to the day they were sandy berger why not arrayed? merrick garland lay down the president. so why not a raid? and not only that they withheld the information from the public since november 4th when allegedly the department of justice was made aware, so why not? and hold on -- >> david: i am saying why not arrayed, the surprises gone. >> but let's go down the hunter biden trail as well, he told us he did not talk to a son about the business dealings, and he is giving 10% and you look at these documents had to do with ukraine, found at the penn-biden center which is a chinese backed think tank, two countries that his son and his family had business dealings and not only that, but when he was the vice president he held greece to the wheel, by flying hunter biden in the air force to become a shaken hands of a business partner and hoping greasing the wheels in china, and getting the prosecutor general fired in ukraine who was investigating marie's mama and we were told by the media there is nothing the sea there, but obvio

sandy berger put classified information in his sock. so yes.lieve when it comes to presidents. the idea of prosecuting a president regarding mishandling classified information is problematic. they have the right to declassify. i'm calling for a special counsel. the point is you need a special counsel to investigate the biden mishandling episode if you're going to do the same for trump. >> martha: senator, thank you. senator lindsey graham, always good to have you with us. it would be great if people abided by the rules. think i they how old the have secret service men look at everything. thanks, senator. good to see you today. all right. here's another issue when it comes to these ethical issues that is very hot story this afternoon. this is getting a lot more tense. congressman george santos under new pressure to resign today from members of his own party. he's admitted lying about very large parts of his life story, his resume, his business dealings. republican leaders in his home state of new york calling him a fraud. today they're telling h

sandy berger, the national security adviser to bill clinton, ended up getting a lot of we going to jail because he'd gone to the national archives and literally snuck documents that were that were secret in his socks and in his underwear and got caught. hillary clinton raised thirty two thousand emails and broke up a hard drive with a hammer. you have i'd be very curious how many documents john kerry's had. and interestingly, the documents that were initially discovered are documents that do relate to ukraine and to iran. and relate to ukraine at a time when hunter biden is the bagman for what is basically a criminal family. i mean, the violence as an operation would make perfect sense. >> if you ever saw the sopranos, you understand exactly what's going on . well, and who had access to these documents that i mean, that question was posed to the press secretary today. she just may say she's i talk to the white house counsel's office. white house counsel's office is not returning anyone's calls as far as we could tell. certainly not. our peter deuce's calls. so, again, was there any shar

i'm remembering general petraeus and documents, sandy berger, stuffing documents in a sock, whatever it was. there's a history of this, and very little punishment meteed out for it, a misunderstanding, or they didn't know, depending on the document in question. we don't know, but we know it was classified. then distinctions, it was not classified at the moment, or it was classified at the moment, but should any of that matter? i mean, these are documents you shouldn't have. >> it absolutely matters. if a document is classified, it needs to be treated with the control -- you never know what's in these documents. >> neil: right. >> i mean, it could be giving away operations internationally. it could be giving away the identities of people who could be at risk if their identities are disclosed. you need to treat everyone -- it's not like, well, it's kind of classified. it's classified or it's not. if it is, it needs to be treated with strict control. >> neil: if it isn't -- here we go again with this. you know, the punishment that could be meted out, is anyone's guess. you go to jail fo

he's just like sandy berger, he no, sandy berger.oo he took documents. he shoved down his pants, his backside in his socks. and everyone saideryb ody on the democratic, just sloo he didn't do it on purpose.y itfe accidentally fellll into h pants. now, either way, according media e demoway, according to the media mob incrat the democraticic party, this is alet' serious offense. t let's go back and listen to what biden said only four short months ago when he wase on "60 minutes". one of those rare interviews he gives take a when you saw the photograph of the top secret documents laid out on the floor at mar-a-lago, g what did you think to yourself looking at that image? >> how that could possibly happen? how one, anyone could be that irresponsible and i thought c what data was in there that maye compromise sources and methods?h by that i mean names of people who helped or etc. and it just totally irresponsible. that irresresponsible. >> how could anyone be that irresponsible? al l right.on tonight, maybe biden shouldse, be asking himself that question . of

e evid overwthe evidence was ovg if you're going to prosecute david petraeus, sandy berger, john deutch and people in the military for far less, it was a terrible injustice, nott to bring a case against hillarya clinton. but, you know, james comey didme this unbelievable legal pirouette and so said a d no prosecutor would bring such a case. every prosecutor in america i would have loved to have bringwo brought such an easyul case. b. >> all right.more thank you both, professor. thank you, greg jarra. thank you. more big news tonight. biden's right hand man, ron klain, will soon be leaving the white house. so the timing is perfect.ng i according to reports, biden'snd brain is leaving and his former covid czar, jeff zients, will replace him. that's right. y ththe guy that oversaw biden's infamous dark winter oawf severn illness and death will soon be running the administration. >> god help us now. science is , of course, a big time champion of vaccine mandates, covid boosters, even though the latest variants don't show would work at all.n h >> the same shots that have utterly failed to li

what about sandy berger? what about hillary clinton?-- we're goin we g to we're goingoo to see a lot of comparisons. and in the end, we have two special prosecutor. they were appointed because if you're going to appoint one against somebody who's running for president , you should appoint another one for the other person who's running for president . neither will recommend the prosecutior presn if eitherp them does go and overrule them. presthere will be no prosecution, probably the laws will be changed. aws wi and we'll selle now a new procel by which the archive come to the house and removee an everything the day the president leaves the white house. >> i think we're going to sewee that change. u sa >> so, professor, you say it's going to be pretty much nothing followed by a change in the process with no repercussions for biden? >> i think there'll be no repercussions except political people. even the democrats are nowre wil saying, oh, my godl except, howy applause. look how sloppy he is andy an how irresponsible he is . we'll see po

maybe he pulled a sandy berger, maybe just put them in hismaybdn ds jacketjacket. who knows.so he's been doing this a long time.g th the university of delawareed t documents. they need to do a review of those because that's his senates records are. but i'm goinarg to suggeste. som something hereet. there needs to be a federal grand jury investigating by not ting not bypense we know what hh with pense it's pretty obvious what happened with pentzap. but the various locations, i mean, they have a grand juryth for trump and we know where his documents are. they know where the documents are. they were negociatnow where the i don't know what the documents are. for some reason, they decided to criminalizefor somethey deci. while he wouldn't give themumens the documents back . are you kidding? me?g me? just a matter of time. you negotiate these thingsnegoti and you don't ruatn around yelling, obstruction, obstruction. there's no obstructionellingobs you know, you have these phony legal analysts and these these pathetic professor these p runno around. there is no obstruction. the fbi

momentum to do that, and then along came the 9/11 i think probably, more than anything else, and sandy berger took the document out after 9/11 and he rest in peace now, he's died but that raised that issue. it moved on and now, listening to you this morning, oona, you seem to think that just your talk today is that we do way over classify things and that the law is hard to comply with. i think that was hillary clinton's problem with the server, separating her personal former government things. she even had conversations with former secretary of state colin powell about that issue, how he was having problems complying with the law. and that's my question for this morning is, what is the exact law that we're talking about here, that classify these documents? i think it's, my understanding is it's a rather new law that was the together by press people and good government types and everybody that wanted everything that's generated in the government to stay and the government, in the future they could come along and, you know -- >> host: got your point. thank you for the question. ms. hathaway. >>