me now is trainer sandy thompson, the trainer of the sandy thompson, the trainer of to noise — sandyse in november, which is over three miles. uh, he had a great season last year. he was fourth and second in big races as the plan was always to, to run in the grand national this year, um , he grand national this year, um, he went back to aintree um in november again and again jumped around well and finished really well. the ground wasn't quite quite soft enough for him , but quite soft enough for him, but he jumped really well and was fixed. and the plan then was to, to, to go to the grand national , which duly happened on, on saturday. yeah and i mean so ton-te— saturday. yeah and i mean so wone totking— saturday. yeah and i mean so you're talking here— tittiig tv/titii" and i mean so you're talking here about, uh, an experienced— you're talking here about, uh, an experienced horse, a good jumping— an experienced horse, a good innping nose— an experienced horse, a good innping nose o— an experienced horse, a good jumping horse, a horse that noon-t— jumping horse, a horse that hadn't

me now is trainer sandy thompson, the trainer of the sandy thompson, the trainer of tne norce — sandy always to, to run in the grand national this year, um , he grand national this year, um, he went back to aintree um in november again and again jumped around well and finished really well. the ground wasn't quite quite soft enough for him , but quite soft enough for him, but he jumped really well and was fixed. and the plan then was to, to, to go to the grand national , which duly happened on, on saturday. yeah and i mean so yone— saturday. yeah and i mean so yone tatttng— saturday. yeah and i mean so you're talking here— qt}; “4s?" and i mean so you're talking here about, uh, an experienced— you're talking here about, uh, an experienced horse, a good jumping— an experienced horse, a good jumping norce— an experienced horse, a good jumping norce a— an experienced horse, a good jumping horse, a horse that natn-t— jumping horse, a horse that hadn't fallen— jumping horse, a horse that hadn't fallen before now. i mean , it hadn't fallen before now. i mean , tt tootet— hadn't fallen before

i know sandy thompson was delay.e winner of the grand national. and- the winner of the grand national. and that got him rbrougb— national. and that got him rmrougb rme— national. and that got him through the cancer that got him back— through the cancer that got him back om— through the cancer that got him back or a— through the cancer that got him back on a horse.— through the cancer that got him back on a horse. and he rode the or— back on a horse. and he rode the winner of-grand_ back on a horse. and he rode the winner of grand national. winner of the grand national. ama— winner of the grand national. ame—bee- winner of the grand national. and—he's raised. and to this day, he's raised ere— and to this day, he's raised over £18 million- and to this day, he's raised over £18 million for the bob ebamprom— over £18 million for the bob champion cancer trust, which has bekpea— champion cancer trust, which has mekpeo people— champion cancer trust, which has helped people like— champion cancer trust, which has helped peopl

sandy thompson, do think it was _ got factored. sandy thompson, do think it was a _ got factored.gets on and they go on the course, they go to the start. they— on the course, they go to the start. they look— on the course, they go to the start. they look at— on the course, they go to the start. they look at the fence, they get tracked — they look at the fence, they get tracked and get taken in. what happened on saturday is that we got them down to the paddock, it was a warm _ them down to the paddock, it was a warm day, — them down to the paddock, it was a warm day, and we were told people had glued _ warm day, and we were told people had glued himself to the fence, we didn't— had glued himself to the fence, we didn't know how long it was going to be. didn't know how long it was going to be we _ didn't know how long it was going to be we took— didn't know how long it was going to be. we took the horse back to the stable, _ be. we took the horse back to the stable, because it was a warm day, we washed — stable, because it was a warm day, we washed them with water and then all of a

hill, 60, trained by sandy thompson, fell at the int— sandy thompson, fell at the iirst ionos— sandy the industry. arnie and whilst that exists, i don't think we certainly at animal think a growing animal aid and i think a growing number wouldn't number of people wouldn't support either. dean just support that either. dean just just support that either. dean just iust question— support that either. dean just just question that— support that either. dean just just question that that- dean just just question that that raises is who— just question that that raises is who where _ just question that that raises is who where the just question that that raises. is who where -the - go is who where does the meat go irom— is who where does the meat go irom hos— is who where does the meat go from horses ? _ is who where does the meat go from horses ? is— is who where does the meat go from horses ? from horses? is most of the meat goes to belgium, italy , southern goes to belgium, italy, southern europe . if you eat a paul europe. if you eat a paul o'grady sausage in in italy, it's going to be ho

trainer, sandy thompson, said bnab bbe— trainer, sandy thompson, said that the protests— trainer, sandy accept that as a way forward ? well,- rising accept that as a way forward ? will “rg rising accept that as a way forward ? “rg forward? well, the thing is, when we get into talking about animal , you know, we're animal welfare, you know, we're spreading this myth that we can use and exploit these animals in some way that we can consider ethical good . and that is ethical or good. and that is absolutely absurd. you know, the only way at which we are going to see these animals truly happy in their natural environments is if using them for horse if we stop using them for horse racing, racing, racing, for dog racing, the billion use for food. billion animals we use for food. we're nearly out of time. but i nave— we're nearly out of time. but i nave-be— we're nearly out of time. but i nave-be bbe— we're nearly out of time. but i have is the campaign have to ask, is the campaign going— have to ask, is the campaign gebng—er- have to ask, is the campaign gebng—er are- have to ask, is the camp

fell at the first ience — sandy thompson fell at the first fence at— sandy thompson fell at the first mean it. we've gat a iat caning— back. honestly, i mean it. we've got a lot coming up— t honestly, i mean it. we've got a lot coming up today. did tnat— got a lot coming up today. did that-genuine?- got a lot coming up today. did that-genuine? no,- got a lot coming up today. did that genuine? no, it did. that sound genuine? no, it did. tie-re— that sound genuine? no, it did. were very— that sound genuine? no, it did. we're very pleased— that sound genuine? no, it did. we're very pleased you're- that sound genuine? no, it did. we're very pleased you're back entirely. we've got sunak entirely. we've got rishi sunak teiiing— entirely. we've got rishi sunak telling-education- ”aicya we've got rishi sunak telling education and telling us about education and his telling us about education and nie—natne- telling us about education and nie—natne . l telling us about education and nie—natne. ai his obsession with maths. a smart— his obsession with maths. a smart motorways— his obsession with m

sandy thompson, died yesterday. sandy thompson, says— died yesterday.u-po you— on that. danny kelly, what do you-do you think- on that. danny kelly, what do you do you think perhaps you think? do you think perhaps inap— you think? do you think perhaps mar-nas— you think? do you think perhaps rnar-nas i— you think? do you think perhaps that-was i couldn't- you think? do you think perhaps that was i couldn't watch that that was i couldn't watch it that that was i couldn't watch irlsaiuruay. — that that was i couldn't watch irlsaiuruay. i— that that was i couldn't watch it saturday. " e " it on saturday. i haven't been able to watch it for the last 4 or because animal or 5 years because of the animal welfare, think it welfare, but i don't think it should be banned either. i think i that you i agree with that lady. you know, horse know, without horse racing, those wouldn't even those horses wouldn't have even been born. and i think that's one can look at it, one way you can look at it, christine. yes. and would one way you can look at it, chiatine. yes. and