sanford bernstein said the break-up value is very good.do have a consulting business, a printing business. ibm at one time split up, downgraded by the way. the emc is really complicated, because they're saying that they're slowing storage. this is the third downgrade emc. my travel trust sold emc, because i fear pre-announcement. i fear there could be something that comes out and says, look, we're not going to make the quarter. >> even jpmorgan cut of ibm mentions if some of these safe havens could lose some luster, if smaller tech firms grow faster. >> i think that one of the themes of research and whether you want to take research at its value or not, is that, listen, we should buy more emerging market names, look at companies we regarded as being risky. i've got to tell you, the safe havens, whether they be general mills, okay, or whether they be ibm, ibm inexpensive stock, but as melissa mentioned, a lot of these stocks have been inexpensive for a long time and it doesn't matter. >> facebook jumping ahead of a big announcement tomorrow