sanjay gupta.here was a study that what worked best in kur tailing cases was people staying at home and contact tracing. what do you make of that? >> at the beginning we didn't have a lot of this data. >> what we have after five months of data is, yes, staying at home. it's the basic bread and butter of public health. we now know in countries around the world, it made a huge difference, chris. i have been reluctant to compare the united states to other countries. people say what about our public health system. it can work well, but in this case it didn't. in south korea they measure their deaths in 100s not hundreds of thousands. they had testing and tracing. if you do it early and not scared to implement the measures early. >> we are still not doing it and removing the stay at home and they are still to the ramping up the testing aspect like they are supposed to. the latest druk. dex dex methadone. >> there is demand. if the press release is correct and what this shows, this would be the first dru

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sanjay gupta. you heard erica's report on rising cases and does that mean it is really getting worse or is it just increased testing and health officials clearly saying it is getting worse. trump, though, says texas is doing a fantastic job. texas had a record high in hospitalizations which is a very important metric. so what is your reaction to the president? >> i mean, i don't know what numbers he is looking at or what the governor of texas told him. texas is heading in the absolute wrong direction. they had as you mentioned the record number of hospitalizations right now. they are thinking about opening the stadium to potentially handle over flow of patients. so on one hand they are preparing for a significant problem. we hope it doesn't happen. but it is clearly not a model to say things are going well. florida and georgia are 2 of 18 states as erica mentioned that are also heading in the wrong direction. miami, they may reinstate stay-at-home orders again. it is kind of remarkable to me that p

sanjay gupta, dr. gupta, said this was worse than he ever imagined it could be. what message does this send? >> yeah, that's exactly my biggest concern is the message that it sends. you know, here's the thing. that was the packed room. maybe 3,500 folks there. that's going to result in probably 100, 150 new cases in arizona, something like that. but worse than that, it sends an endorsement to anybody else who was thinking of putting a big venue like this together with really no mitigation measures at all. that it's an okay thing to do. i mean, when a governor and a president show up to an event like that it endorses that kind of behavior and so to me that's a bigger concern than the couple of hundred cases that are probably going to come out of that event. >> will humble, sarah eckert, i think it's important to know what's going on. >>> the house and senate will debate senate police reform bills in a matter of hours. any chance for a compromise? we'll talk to a democratic lawmaker, next. for action. that's why usaa is giving payment relief options to eligible mem

fauci telling sanjay gupta, unless players are in a bubble insulated from the community tested every day, it will be very hard to see how football is able to be played this fall. 13 players at the university of texas positive for the virus according to the school. college football is slated for kickoff august 29th. here in new york city on thursday mayor bill de blasio announcing the city can move into phase two on monday and restaurants can offer outdoor dining. all of the rules will apply for social distancing. meantime, the governor of this state, andrew cuomo, announcing an outdoor order for businesses who do not comply with rules and regulations for reopening, they could be subject to losing their liquor license. back to you. >>> and joining me now from seattle, cnn medical analyst dr. amy compton phillips. great to chat with you. >> thank you. great for having me. >> president trump has claimed that the coronavirus is dying out and that oklahoma's case numbers are very small and the spike has already ended. tulsa, oklahoma, of course is where he intends to hold his 20,000 stron

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sanjay gupta., a doctor, when you show that reaction, when you see that kind of rage to people being asked or required to wear masks, how does it make you feel? >> that's not about science anymore i don't think. i think there's something else at play here, it's about people feeling like they don't want to be told what to do or others can't tell them what to do. i don't know. because i think the science is pretty clear. i think as you mentioned, we've known for some time, certainly about the ability of the masks to prevent others around you from getting sick. i wear a mask every day when i'm in the hospital, when i'm in the operating room. i'm wearing a mask to prevent putting my own germs into the operating room, where i'm operating, it's a sterile environment, the same sort of concept here. so that evidence is pretty clear, so it's what i see there with that sort of back-and-forth is unscientifically based concern that could lead to a real problem or is already leading to a real problem in terms o

sanjay gupta. ryan, give us the -- given the president's warnings today that in his words any protesters, anarchists,a anarchists, agitators, losers or low lives will be handled much different in tulsa than in other cities, what is the atmosphere like there right now? >> reporter: right now, wolf, what we're seeing is really more of a party than a protest. we're in the greenwood district of tulsa, this is where the awful black wall street massacre took place in 1921. keep in mind, the city was originally not planning on any kind of organized celebration of the juneteenth holiday because of the coronavirus. but when president trump announced his plans to bring his rally here for this day, things changed and this kind of organically sprouted up in the community. you can notice a lot of people here, not many of them, practicing social distancing. most of them in masks, but we are, of course, outside. that raises the question about what we're going to see over the next couple of days, particularly tomo

sanjay gupta is also with us. ryan, let's start with you. you're inside the arena.e know earlier in the day the campaign announced six trump staffers tested positive for the virus. first of all, take us inside this arena. a lot of people clearly not wearing masks and we're seeing a lot, a lot, of empty seats. i take it they had to cancel the overflow rally outside because few showed up. >> yeah, that's right, wolf. it's not too hard to understate this. this event has fallen well short of the trump campaign's own expectations and the expectations of the president himself. just a couple of days ago, the president was talking about filling this entire arena up and then as many as 40,000 people outside. the campaign staffers suggested perhaps 100,000 people could fill the overflow event outside. they announced to great fanfare that both the president and the vice president would speak to that overflow crowd. but what has materialized here tonight is far short of that. this arena, as you can tell behind me is far from full. this is a good crowd by campaign standards. thi

sanjay gupta joins me now. first point of pushback is, look man, this is what the virus does, what we expected. why do we have to be in a sense of panic all the time? >> look at other countries around the world. we've had 600 people die in the last 24 hours. have we gotten used to that? that's more people than have died in this entire pandemic in other countries. they didn't have a therapeutic or vaccine. this didn't have to happen, this sense of inevitability that you're describing that people have resigned themselves too. it's not inevitable. it's a pain, it's tough. mother nature fighting back i guess in some ways. this did not have to happen, when you cite these numbers of millions of people infected, hundreds of thousands will die, by the way, the model that you just cited, 200,000 people would die by october 1st, i think they say, keep in mind, when we were talking about this in april, they were saying 60,000 people would die by august 4th. we're twice that essentially now and it's the middle of june. not

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sanjay gupta. you reported this morning that the top doctors on the task force including fauci and birx have been meeting regularly by phone or by zoom without pence involved for weeks. do you know what they're briefing him on today? >> i think it's all about the rising numbers and the rising number of newly infected people, jake. yet, they call themselves the doctors' group. and it's sort of an offshoot of the coronavirus task force which had their last official sort of briefing on april 27th. there hahn, dr. redfield, dr. fauci and ambassador birx got together to say we're going to meet a couple, three times a week, have our meetings focus on science and medicine, the coronavirus task force itself seemed more focused on the economy and re-opening the country. so we wanted to make sure that that particular issue of the science and medicine was not neglected. and i guess around once a week or so, they briefed the vice president. today it's about these rising numbers. i was just looking at the calcu

sanjay gupta. sanjay, i heard you today following that briefing.xasperated by what you expected, i think quite reasonably, the task force to say, we got a problem here and this is what we're going to do about it. but that's not what they did. they said there is no problem. >> yeah. that's what i fully expected. you know, the first press conference after two -- two months. and with the numbers going up, as people have seen. and how much the numbers have gone up even since the last press briefing. there wasn't even acknowledgment of the significance of this problem, let alone a path to go forward. i mean, people look at this graph. that is a problem what we are seeing here. potentially, going into exponential growth which means you are going to wake up in the morning one day and say, wait, i can't believe the numbers i'm seeing now as compared to yesterday or the day before. it's really striking because i remember a month ago, six weeks ago, saying you see what's happening in new york but florida's fine. governor desantis, at the white house, taking

sanjay gupta. what is your reaction to the rising cases in florida? how concerned should people be?> we've been reporting on florida since the beginning and there's always been concern about florida. you know, in fact, initial days we were worried that the numbers were going to go into growth going back to april. the concern really i think more than anything, the numbers are obviously going up and up out of proportion to just testing alone. we're seeing obviously the demographics, younger people, obviously, being more affected by this now but the idea that ultimately it could affect people who are vulnerable in this state and possibly increase more hospitalizations. take a look at this graphic, anderson. people ask about this all the time. who is most likely to get infected? who is most likely to get sick? who is most likely to die? break this down by age group. you look at the graphics, you look at the data coming out of these various places. keep in mind that florida 20% of the population is 65 years or older. so they are a vulnerable population. cases go up in a vulnerable popula

sanjay gupta and dr. jonathan reiner who advised the white house medical team under president george w. bush. so, sanjay, how did this happen? and of course i will point out it is not happening where it happened before, as in where you have the original epicenter of new york is not where you're seeing this. new york is only just starting to reopen. but when it comes to cases across the country, the total, we're back to where we were months ago. >> yeah, i think that there's places that closed too late that have been opening too early and now we're getting a sense that there was a lot of virus spreading much earlier than we realize. so, i think we're getting better glimpse of how significant the problem is. at the same time we haven't had enough testing. we don't have enough contact tracers to be able to handle what is needed to actually find people and quarantine them so the virus transmission starts to slow down and we're having this silly debate about masks, public health 101 stuff here. i'll tell you th

sanjay gupta. sanjay, what's your reaction to rise in cases? >> we've been reporting on florida since the beginning, and i think there's always been concern about florida. in fact, in initial days, we were worried that the numbers were going to go into exponential growth there. even going back to april. the concern, really, i think more than anything, the numbers are obviously going up. they are going out of -- up, out of proportion to just testing, alone. we're seeing, obviously, the m demographics, younger people, obviously being more affected by this now. but the idea that, ultimately, it could affect people who are vulnerable in this state and possibly increase more hospitalizations. take a look at this graphic, anderson. people ask about this all the time. who is most likely to get infected? who is most likely to get sick? who's most likely to die? sort of break this down, by age group. i think we have this. but one thing is, you look at the graphics, you look at the data that's coming out of these various places. keep in mind that florida

sanjay gupta. sanjay, this morning dr. fauci told the house of representatives that he remains cautiously optimistic that some vaccines will be ready at the end of the year, or, at the very latest, the beginning of 2021. that theoretically would be the fastest vaccine ever developed. your reaction? >> yeah. by a long shot. typically you talk about not even years to develop vaccines but often times decades, if they work at all. hiv, hepatitis c, certain viruses for which we've been trying to find vaccines which we've never been able to actually develop one. i guess cautiously optimistic is the reaction. the thing i'm sort of struck by i think more from a medical journalism standpoint is that we've seen very little data still. mid-june, end of june now. very little data, we've seen some encouraging results. some of these early trials showed evidence that the vaccine actually generated antibodies. but much of this data is coming to us by press release. they're coming to us through nonpeer reviewed sort of articles. i'm a litt

sanjay gupta is joining us with more. rting to see some things move now. >> yeah, we are, john, and it's been a question, you know, after memorial day weekend states reopening, these protests that we have seen over the last couple of weeks what has been the impact of all that on this epidemic, this pandemic here in the united states? we took a little bit of a closer look. >> this is the lake of ozarks. look at these folks. >> that was memorial day weekend in osage beach, missouri, after the federal government first implemented their guidelines to slow the spread. >> we are announcing new guidelines for every american to follow. >> when that decision was made, fewer than 80 people had died in the country and less than 5,000 were infectioned from coronavirus. a study published in the journal "nature" estimates that 60 million were avoided in the united states because of the stay at home orders and as the united states approached 900,000 infections some states started to reopen. just look at georgia, cases have now more than

sanjay gupta. orida saw its biggest one-day increase in cases in weeks, as universal studios is opening today. if cases are going back up, i understand testing is increasing so that's going to be a part of it, but is it wise for large crowds to be gathering in amusement parks, is it wise for florida to be proceeding with phase ii? >> the virus is still out there. people fundamentally know that. i think there are inherent risks with doing activities like this where they're going to be, you know, larger gatherings of people, there are shared public spaces, people are coming from all over perhaps the country and then going back to the communities. those are the concerns. those concerns are the same here. i think people will do the best they can to try to lower the risk, but the risks are there. you have to think about this in three phases. before you go, you have to make sure, if you're vulnerable in any way, if you have symptoms, you don't go. while you're there, you have to do your best to reduce the

sanjay gupta. , sanjay, the oklahoma department of health, as we just heard, issued these new guidelines ahead of the president's rally this weekend saturday in tulsa. among other things, it's urging attendees to wear face coverings, plan and seek out testing both before and after. what does this say about the concern by the oklahoma health authorities about this huge gathering that's anticipated? >> i think there's a significant concern obviously, wolf. i think they've said earlier that they'd prefer not to have a big rally like this indoors with lots of people who are not going to be able to physically distance a carnival-like atmosphere where a lot of people are yelling and putting virus out into the environment. so, i think what you're hearing now from jim acosta and from what you're hearing on the ground there in oklahoma is that they're trying to do anything they can to try and mitigate what is a worst-case scenario by the cdc's own guidelines. if you think about these types of guidelines, the

sanjay gupta. sanjay, i want to start with you because of what dr. fauci said yesterday. dr. fauci, as we know, is not an alarmist nor are you. so what do you see today and for the next two weeks? >> well, look, i have no problem being an alarmist. i think there are times when things are quite alarming. we're acting like some of these decisions, some of these things are within our control, you know. maybe we should ask people to sort of stay at home. we're in the middle of a storm at this point. you hear all of these different metaphors, it's a storm, it's a forest fire, things like that. it's a cancer that has metastasized. we didn't treat it adequately and now we're surprised it continues to spread. whatever metaphor you want to apply to it, we have a problem right now. there is a virus that is continuing to spread and spread more rapidly than i think anyone predicted given what we could have done to try to control this. and now we're still sort of dilly dallying about what we need to do next. it's becoming increasingly clear. we looked at what happened in italy with horror

sanjay gupta. sanjay, all of this was not only predictable but predicted by you and other health experts on this show and others. why do you think we're seeing spikes in cases and hospitalizations in florida, california, texas, which really, to be honest, had different approaches to tackling the virus. >> yeah. i think that all of them, the thing they do share in common, jake, none of them met this gating criteria before they reopened. some closed sooner than others. some have been more diligent about talking about masks. look at this gating criteria, new covid cases down for 14 days. why is that? you can take from the mitigation phase where we're trying to slow things down to containment, to say i'm going to get my arms around this virus. if you have case number 14 days you're much more likely to do that. bottom line, put a sufficient program in place. can you get tested if you need to get tested or want to get tested? everyone that wants to get tested can get tested. that's still not true no matte

sanjay gupta. sanjay, from a medical standpoint, does it make sense for the european union to ban americans right now? >> well, you know, the united states does make up the majority of newly infected patients. and that is, i'm sure, the overall -- what's driving this decision. i think the question also is how well do travel bans work overall. and that's -- i think that's a larger question. the world health organization has an organization that is usually not in favor of travel bans. they think that they are too disruptive and they don't accomplish what you think they're going to accomplish. there are sort of other stop-gap measures in these situations where, for instance, someone travels to a country, then they have to be quarantined for a period of time before they can actually go into the country itself. and also we keep coming back to testing. if you had better testing, first of all, we wouldn't be probably in the predicament that we're in right now it as you look at the right side of the screen.

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sanjay gupta. do we now officially have enough evidence to know that the warmer weather in summer is not going to slow the virus? >> yeah, mostly we do. and part of it is that, you know, you look at places around the world where the weather has been quite humid, quite warm, and basically see how has the virus been behaving in those areas. and it still continues to spread. there is a couple of important nuances here. the reason that is happening is because the biggest problem is that most of us don't have immunity as nick was just saying, as dr. collins from the nih wrote yesterday. it is that native immunity that -- in later years combined with warmer weather and humidity might make a difference, might create a seasonality. right now we just don't have the immunity. it doesn't make a difference. if this virus sticks around for years to come, which it may, then we may start to see that ebb and flow depending on the weather. >> so, sanjay, dr. fauci said something, which i think got a lot of people's

sanjay gupta. a tulsa judge denied a lawsuit to stop the president's rally.d. how big is that risk? >> this is the worst-case scenario. if you think about gatherings of people at this time in our history with a global pandemic, here are the riskiest -- they want to fill these arenas to capacity. you won't get social distancing. people are shouting, dispelling virus into the air. you will look back on this a year or a month from now and say i can't believe we did that. this is the opposite thing you should be doing in the middle of a pandemic. there is a real concern. a super spreader event, don, anybody could be a super spreader. it's the right person in the wrong place at the wrong time. in tulsa their cases have gone up one-fifth in a week. this is the wrong thing to do. >> and they are not following the cdc guidelines for masks as well. 18 states showing upward trends in cases. texas, florida, arizona all reported record highs for daily cases just today. how concerning is that? >> these numbers are concerning. there are two points i want to make. obviously

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sanjay gupta saying tonight he cannot find a single medical expert who is endorsing the rally and from a public health standpoint, this even shouldn't take place. the president looking forward to the rally despite concerns tweeting this today. any protestors and agitators, looters or low lives who are going to oklahoma, please understand you will not be treated like you have been in new york, seattle or minneapolis. it will be a much different scene. so let's get this straight. any american who wants to protest his rally, a trump president rally. as they have the constitutional right to do so is lumped in with anarchist and looters. maybe the authoritarian trump will do what he did to the peaceful protests who are not looters and gathered in the park near the white house just a few weeks back. unleashing riot police on them where they were gassed and trampled. the white house press secretary was asked if the president was threatening the right of people to assemble peacefully to protest the campaign rally. >> it's not what he was saying. what the president was noting is that there are

sanjay gupta along with chief political correspondent dana bash. ve months into this pandemic in the united states, we've said, and we've heard you, you cannot believe the situation the country is in right now. so here is the question. why is the united states falling so short in the response to this crisis? >> i think the singular explanation is that we never took this seriously. we never took this as seriously as we should have. we got a late start, and then we have a sort of happen hazard start. we started opening things up too early. all of it leads back to this idea that this wasn't taken seriously in this country. it's why we don't have enough testing. it's why people are still wishy washy on public health measures, because it's been politicized. we haven't taken the biggest health catastrophe in our lifetime, in 100 years, we haven't taken it seriously. it's a sad thing to say. we're one of the greatest countries on earth but we have completely fumbled this. i'm worried, wolf. i'm worried when i look at these numbers. i'm not even sure how ex

sanjay gupta. sanjay, what's behind these spikes taking place around the country?think it's, in large part, because we're starting to reopen. it was predicted that as people start to get out and about, a contagious virus is still out there, that there would be more and more people who would be become infected. i think the question has been how significant would those infections be. how high would the numbers go. and how many hospitalizations and deaths would it also lead to? and we're starting to get a picture of that now, wolf. if you look at the trend across the country, you saw sort of, i guess, mid-april time frame is when you sort of had the peak. now you're sort of seeing the plateau that has come down. part of that plateau is sort of because of the fact that we had been in stay at home sort of mode up until recently. the concern now is that you may start to see it go back up again. that's not a second wave. that's a peak, another spike within the first wave, wolf. i think that's really what it has to do with. >> florida, sanjay, is on its sixth straight day

sanjay gupta, thank you, as always. >> you got it, laura. thank you. >> the president retweeted a video. and thanked the, quote, great people in it. problem is, there's a -- it was a man chanting white power in that video. stay with us. i am totally blind. and non-24 can make me show up too early... or too late. or make me feel like i'm not really "there." talk to your doctor, and call 844-234-2424. he used to have gum problems. now, he uses therabreath healthy gums oral rinse with clinically-proven ingredients and his gum problems have vanished. (crowd applauding) therabreath, it's a better mouthwash. at walmart, target and other fine stores. >>> president trump stoking division with his retweets. he shared this video today of a white couple pointing guns at a group of protestors in st. louis. and yesterday, the president retweeted a video of a man shouting, white power, at anti-trump protestors in florida. don't believe me? take a listen. >> white power! white power! there you go. white power. >> notice, at the end, did you hear that? repe

sanjay gupta, very concerned about where these numbers are pointing. do you share that sense of urgency? >> i absolutely share that sense of urgency and i'm also i would tell you somewhat disappointed because a lot of the things that we had gained, we were really slowing down transmission in the country. it's all going back up and that to me is incredibly disappointing. i see some states like new york that are still coming down in the number of cases, still doing the right thing, but i see other states like florida, you know, texas, california, you name it, arizona, even here in georgia where i see cases going up and i think it's because people -- the population has basically started to ignore that there's still a virus out there. i think we need to remind people that the pandemic is not over. >> the president continues to claim the numbers are only going up because we're testing more. now, you and i and every exporter knows that's false because what's also happening is that the positivity rate -- i think we have some graphics to show this, that the pe

sanjay gupta. your model predicted 100,000 deaths by october 1st that projection has grown to more than 200,000 deaths. a rally, you know, not just a trump rally, any large gathering of people, demonstrations out in the streets, how dangerous is that in determines of raising the numbers? i know some protesters will say look, the issue is important they will willing to take the risk. protests are largely outdoors but the rallies are largely outside. upwards of i think 60,000 people. >> i think, anderson, the things we learned over the course of the pandemic so far, you mentioned it before, wearing a mask, it's effective, a way to protect you and your family. avoiding large gatherings. we know the role of super spreaders and outbreaks and wedding outbreaks where hundreds of people can get infected in a single event. and i think that is what we need to avoid to create the opportunity for large transmission. >> doctor, when the vice president writes this op ed saying fear of a second wave is over blown

sanjay gupta. you heard the hhs secretary tell me that the window to get the virus under control is closing. how long do we have or might it already be too late? >> well, it depends how you define too late. i think action is always better than inaction at this point, but there's no question, jake, as we have been talking about since february and march that the earlier you act, the better. if we're thinking about this as a metaphor of a body and you're treating cancer or something, you want to treat early. we have been waiting. there's been spread of this infection through the country. so it is going to require treatment. going to require more aggressive treatment in some areas versus others. at this point, it is an existential question. what are we willing to tolerate in terms of people getting sick and possibly dying before we start imposing some of these actions, jake. we know what needs to be done. we've seen it around the world, we have evidence it works. we just need to apply some of these thi

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sanjay gupta. great to see you. what has changed that allowed this university of washington model to up its forecast so much? >> well, i think there were two things and we have been following this closely. first of all, we're only modeling up until recently, august 4th so they have increased the model trajectory to october 1st. the second thing is we're reopening so they have been tracking a lot of mobility data. trying to figure out how much more mobile are people becoming, how much are they moving around. they're using cell phone data to track that and overlay the people's behavior. are people wearing masks? when they started to add that in the numbers did not look good, they increased. i will tell you as well, that this same model you may remember because we have been following this for several months now, originally they had august 4th, they predicted some 60,000 people would die by august 4th. you can look at the right side of the screen we're in the middle of june and that's almost double that already. my poin

sanjay gupta he would be surprised to see football played this fall.tter by saying dr. fauci has nothing to go the nchl's plans and the league is planning on a very safe and controlled opening and not a lot of time there as training camps for the nfl season are set to get under way just over a month from now. sports across the country dealing with these cases and how to move forward. >> 28 players at clemson. 23 people in the department. 23 players. >> yeah, 23 football players and 28 student athlete s and speaks to a larger problem. >>> thank you so much for that report. >> thanks. >>> so we have more for you on the manhattan u.s. attorney who is refusing to resign his position. >> despite the late night attempt by the attorney general, bill barr and the white house to force him out. usaa was made for right now. and right now, is a time for action. so, for a second time we're giving members a credit on their auto insurance. because it's the right thing to do. we're also giving payment relief options to eligible members so they can take care of things

sanjay gupta point out in the recent podcast we are not even done with the first wave.st wave isn't even over. and some states the resisted lockdown or opened up too quickly are seeing new spikes. lessons seem clear. speeding and stringent actions by scientists save lives and get the country on the road to economic recovery, but politicians pushing back against science prolongs the pain. here's us with the number of confirmed cases and deaths courtesy of johns hopkins. see that rapid growth beginning in march and then a slight decline? but then another spike in summer when many folks expected the virus to retreat for a time. now here's italy. the first european country to suffer massive losses after the virus started in china. you see a terrible spike and then a dramatic decline and minimal levels today. south korea suffered the first cases of covid-19 roughly the same time as the united states. but it took quick action with testing, contact tracing and mask wearing and kept the total number of cases to 12.5,000. other countries like brazil and india with notably nation

sanjay gupta. so it's confusing.re we this morning with what asymptomatic people's effects on others is? >> i think what should people understand is that somebody could not have any symptoms at all, no symptoms whatsoever, still be carrying the virus in their body and still spread the virus. that's the important part. that's why we still wear masks when we go out in public that's why we keep distance. if you have symptoms, you should obviously be staying home. but if you were going out in public you have to assume that you could have the virus. even if you have no symptoms. let's put up the definitions of asymptomatic spread for a second here. just so you understand, a lot of times people may have no symptoms whatsoever, but they're about to develop symptoms. so if you have no symptoms and you never get any symptoms, that's asymptomatic. if you're about to develop symptoms but don't know it yet, that's presymptomatic. but i think, you know, the issue is people could still be out there without having any symptoms and

sanjay gupta.dent says we should be celebrating and if you look at the trend map and 21 states heading in the right direction and that's the orange states and if you're red, your case count this week is 50% higher than last week and if you're 50% orange your case count, and that is mostly across the south and eight states are holding steady and 21 states heading down in their case count. i want to lack at this by the day. we've been at this for months and this is the daily new, confirmed cases since march 1st. if you go back to april down a little bit and we're still looking at 20,000 cases or plus a day in the united states. lack at that trend line and compare it to italy. a smaller country, less diverse and less of a challenge, but that's what it's supposed to look like if you have it under control. that's what it is in the united states, a stubborn plateau. the vice president said we should be celebrates. >> we don't have the luxury of talking about a second wave, and there are several places ar

sanjay gupta.ng to talk -- welcome, doctor -- i'm going to talk to you about these secret service agents, these dozens that have to self-quarantine now. cases are hitting all-time highs. hospitalizations are spiking as virus is spreading across the country. and it's not like we don't know how to stop it. this is incredibly frustrating. >> yeah. i mean, we're five and a half months into things now, don. it is very frustrating. this was not inevitable. there's many places around the world, where they -- where they count their deaths in -- in the teens or the hundreds, not the thousands or hundreds of thousands. and as you point out, don, i mean, this is the exact wrong direction we should be going in. we knew that, as things opened up, the numbers were going to increase a little bit. the question was, was it going to go from this sort of level, to this level? or was it going to go into exponential growth? if you look at the states you just mentioned, i think it's increasingly clear that it's going to

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sanjay gupta. as john just pointed out, when we look at florida, so much focus on florida because we see this increase in numbers. it's not just the number of positive cases that's increasing, it's also the percent positive that we're seeing -- the number of positive tests, not just testing. i'm getting caught up in my words. you know what i'm saying, sanjay. that's a number that speaks volumes. >> yeah, right. the basic gist of it is, if you're testing enough out there, your positivity rate, that means the percentage of tests coming back positive should be lower, certainly below 10% and even lower than that. if it's getting above 10%, it means you're actually not testing enough, you're not finding the cases out there in the community, especially the asymptomatic cases that could potentially be perpetuating the spread. that's basically it. you don't want to see positivity go up. you mentioned arizona earlier. i believe arizona positivity is 20% right now. that's obviously much too high. florida pos

i want to bring in cnn chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta.'s been this contact tracing program where the bucks county, pennsylvania, residents 12 of them that contracted coronavirus are tied to gatherings on the jersey shore. is contact tracing the only way to determine whether any future spike might be linked to the protests? >> yeah. pretty much. you get some idea obviously because you can see what's happening and the lack of physical distancing, and you can show that obviously there's going to be an increase in infection rates there. i think what is challenging is then trying to directly link -- people arrive at these protests and they then go back to their homes and communities even and people get secondary infections and being able to trace those back as challenging and typically, if someone was infected you would ask them who have you been in contact with in close proximity and go back and figure out who those people are. they don't know at a protest. you don't know who these people are next to you, so it can be challenging and add into

sanjay gupta, here, at cnn, he was on earlier. and he broke down the numbers of potential infections this way. watch this. >> if you look at the incidence of the virus in that area right now, you'd expect about 100 people, roughly, would show up at that event already infected. maybe they don't know they have the virus, but they have it. if you look at certain principles of public health, about 20 of those people are going to be significantly shedding the virus. so 20 people there, out of 20,000. here is the problem. because the sort of environment there, those 20 people could infect 40 to 50 people, each, which means 800 to a thousand people could become infected, as a result of this. >> so 800 to a thousand people could get infected based on the modeling. and those people could go on to spread it in other places. i mean, this is a type of superspreader event health officials really have been warning about for months. >> absolutely. and so, we actually ran a similar model of what a large, indoor gathering would be. and we used our

sanjay gupta.at the president is saying about testing, i mean, it is ludicrous, if it wasn't actually also kind of dangerous. given the fact that, you know, there needs to be as much testing as possible, in order to get people to go back to work. has there been any reaction from the task force? or are they still in the witness protection program? >> anderson, i talked to a source -- >> i mean, like they're only now, occasionally, here or there. i haven't seen dr. birx on tv. you know, i don't know where they are. are they allowed out? >> well, despite all that, anderson, i did manage to get in touch with a source close to this task force, earlier this evening, who had one word for what the president had to say earlier today. and it was, quote, yikes. anderson -- and that is a direct quote -- anderson, this is a president who hates metrics that can be used by people to hold him accountable. whether it's where the stock market is, where the unemployment rate is, or where the number of cases is from t