santosh: this is a small loss.ss is eight years, nine years old and didn't start monetizing until four years ago, and it is still a work in progress, still adding more ways to monetize. a long runway in terms of monetization. it's still very early. so considering everything, it is early days for pinterest. joe: we have seen a lot of ipo's lately, some that have done very poorly like lyft, some also poorly like uber, some phenomenally well like beyond meat, pinterest sort of in general. what is the market telling us overall romaine: -- overall? santosh: investors want high-growth and profitability or a clear path to profitability. ft kind of stumbled in terms of profitability. believers in transportation as a service, long-term investors there as well. investors want profitability, and they will get that here pretty soon. joe: santosh rao from manhattan ventures, thank you very much. coming up, a pioneer in crypto investing. we speak to barry silver, one of the earliest and most active investors in the space. this i