we begin this evening walk talking about the future of television with josh sapan. he is the c.e.o. of amc networks. >> the system is evolving, and many people who have netflix or hulu or amazon also have cable television, and it is now support manager more options and people have shown an appetite for it. so i actually think it is a moment of great diversification and abundance and creative brilliance. >> rose: we talk about the future of oil with john watson, chairman and c.e.o. of chevron. >> fossil fuels, if you think about the last 150 years, all the advancements in the living standard, everything we enjoy -- light, heat, transportation by land, sea and air -- everything we value is coincident with fossil fuels. new york would be dark without fossil fuels. so fossil fuels are important now and will be important for many, many years to come. >> rose: many, many years means, in your own judgment? >> for the foreseeable future. now, that doesn't mean we can't develop other forms of energy. renewables have their place, nuclear has its place, and there will be new technologies that

charlie: josh sapan is here, the president and ceo of amc networks. made cable-television a destination for high quality, scripted shows. amc made a name for themselves with the critically acclaimed series, "mad men," and the other one, "breaking bad." their brands also include ifc and sundance. their expanding boundaries of the cable television industry. he was an early champion of video on demand. for his newest venture, the

charlie: josh sapan is here, the president and ceo of amc networks. the network has made cable-television a destination for high quality, scripted shows. amc made a name for themselves with the critically acclaimed series, "mad men," and the other one, "breaking bad." their brands also include ifc and sundance. their expanding boundaries of the cable television industry. he was an early champion of video on demand. for his newest venture, the documentary series, "take five" will debut on sundance. the first five installments america on justice in will air on may 17. i am pleased to have you here. let's talk specifics. what is "take five."? josh: we have a new streaming service. charlie: hbo does it, hulu does it. [laughter] josh: that took care of the explanation. it is a streaming service, thank you for explaining. it is called sundance now. it arguably perhaps the biggest reservoir in collection of documentaries that man has amassed. charlie: you have curated a collection. that was actually a cable channel called discovery, formed on that idea, way

but josh sapan is the creator of that. look what happened with katzenberg.you create series for the new over the top? >> they have the right management team in place. which is to say are you a supporter of flphilippe. >> he's not going to pick scripts and green like product. he hasn't done that. he is basically what you found back in the '60s and '70s with the movie moguls. sumner was one of those that bought viacom in the mid '80s. paramount -- >> as a shareholder do you want him in that role or not? >> as ceo? >> as ceo. >> i think there is time to wait for this to occur. the answer is what -- >> wait for what to occur? >> andrew, it's simple. 80% vote. right? >> okay. >> that's going to determine it. ask sherry. does she want it. >> sherry doesn't want him. i am asking you what you want. >> i want whatever is good for the company within the context of content -- you don't like my answer. that's okay. you don't have to accept it. >> you can say i think he's the right person or i don't think he's the right person. >> you can say that. that's your premise. t

joining us now amc network president and ceo josh sapan who sees short form documentaries as 21st century> you go to the internet. you don't in this case go to cable television or your remote control you go to the internet. >> what is the search? >> sun dance now. >> you can subscribe to streaming service and you will see the biggest wealth of documentaries man kind ever assembled. >> that is in a way the future of op-eds. >> it is also the future of how people younger than i will be watching these things. you can do it on your phone or tablets. the genesis of this, the five minute clip we showed about voting rights, do they come to you? how do you get the documentary? >> we commission them. this is the first original series. we found five film makers and said please make a five minute film on what justice in america means to you. five film makers, five minutes. we will put them on whatever you have to say. these are like op-ed pieces. came forward with five different short films. one of them called a hug for paul ryan. one of them was on voting rights. one of them was on bail and gun con