. >> so you can debate it how long ago they were here but the point is when we say sapien, we're in the image of god why weren't they? a really important question a tiger and elephant. >> yeah, yeah how far back do you want to push it. >> a doctoral student who is a catholic ey can usehe mr image gnition as a test for capacity for revelation and communication. you need a sense of self-to be able to receive god's love and revelation. >> got to know it's me in the mirror. that's a key capacity needed and dolphins and whales share that and dogs don't, should we be radical and say there's something really salecs and then to god and then once you say that they're profound questions about how you treat them. >> he left out the image of god looking like us. natural science stay with us we'll be back to wrap up. >>> center for theology we have been talking this half hour about human genes and the big bang and the image of god in creatures. ctns.org celebrating its 30th year in the bay area in dialogue and religion. bob russell, where did you grow up? >> grew up in la and came to stanford. went

they were not truly homo sapiens. the had a missing link between animals and human beings. black people didn't feel pain the way whites did because their nervous systems were so primitive. and you know, simply unable to register pain. for anxiety or develop heart disease which back then was described often for anxiety. so african americans were profoundly different in beings, they were just people with different hair textures can help of these work beings who are not really human and diseases that black art that white people have had. we note know it was held to beic the infectious disease about people had because they weree dirty, basically. even other publications that the doctor sims experimented on, was held to affect more slave women the right women and the reason was because white women were dirty. and the reason given for out lot of known elements like yellow fever, and they proclaim the black people die from yellow fever the way white people did. they suffered less from malaria. see the theories really profound, the identify people didn't suffer heatstroke that they

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