the role that sappatero is very, very sad. it amazing to understand how this guy who was president of spain eight years, he is doing this kind of role as an advocate of the regime. there is no explanation for that. the official response of the spanish government was very strong against sappatero. public opinion in spain is killing him. [ speaking foreign language] >> yeah. they kicked him out. >> he was -- >> kicked out. >> kicked him out from the electoral centers. and he wants to try again and again to be part of a new dialogue with the government, something that we have to reject. and we ask to our friends and allies to reject the role that sappatero is playing because it's very harmful for democracy. >> i have two quick questions, one for mark. of your experience in the u.s. government, there's a sort of catch-22 of support of humanitarian assistance towards venezuela, but stabilizing the social crisis in venezuela could have the counter effect of stabilizing maduro in government. do you feel that could be in any way and h