this secondin sars-like virus, he was elevated to national prominence. valuable hisne how expertise has been to us and our community? theas sharing his insights, distinctive nature of this very inflammatory infection, how it howdifferent, healthy -- they were treating patients in the icu on the ventilator. that provided our physicians with advanced warning for how to deal with this virus. think of the importance of international cooperation. it is essential. host: in early february, on the first day of the new month, we had seven cases here in the u.s.. later, 189,000 cases. today, almost 1.2 million cases. when you look at that and hear those numbers, what do you think? guest: that is the nature of an epidemic. it is exponential in its growth. in early january, when there were simple whispers of a growing ammonia of unknown cause in china, that stuff the ears of those in the medical community that this could grow out of control. when an infection spreads from one person to three or four others, then to another three or four others, it grows by leaps and

which is a close relative of the new coronavirus what that work showed was that sars actually likes it when it's cold and dry at 4 degrees celsius which is a temperature that similar to that in an average refrigerator it was able to survive for up to 4 weeks and was inactivated much more quickly warmer temperatures now that's no guarantee that the new coronavirus will respond in exactly the same way but it seems pretty plausible that it won't mind the cold in a refrigerator really much at all still before you go and start scrubbing your fridge out with police don't forget that there is still been no confirmed reports of transmission of sars cove 2 through food so it seems pretty unlikely that you would get it from your refrigerator. does antibacterial gel do anything against a virus like ovid 9000. there are many different kinds of anti microbial hand sanitizer products out there those that contain 60 percent or more alcohol are good at killing both bacteria and viruses like sars cove to the alcohol breaks down the fatty membranes that enclose both types of microbes but some anti mi

sars did that in 2003. he said no but a new groundbreaking study out of arizona state says the virus may in fact be weakening. our medicine cabinet tells us why and how this is happening. also, did blue state governors end up feeling the heat? tonight we are going to bring you a report on how some states might be opening up earlier than they first said, and then victor david hanson, love it when he is on, is going to tell us why it's now or never for the american recovery. but first, my thoughts on america in shutdown day 50. 50. hard to believe. after china's lies and deceit about the coronavirus, the american public i think is finally beginning to get it. they are seeing the communist nation for what it is: an enemy of the united states and of free people everywhere. a pew research poll last month shows that two-thirds of americans now have an unfavorable view of china. an rnc survey showed similarly negative views on china among voters in several key battleground states. now, long before this first case

to the sars outbreak 17 years ago the world the world's countries promised that they would act differently in the future but chromos that they would take the threat of virus program it's much more serious. what the latest pervert shows is that we have no lessons of the dangers or of the tragedy it is a genuine human catastrophe. despite all the lessons from history the suffering and loss from infectious diseases caught up again in a last minute rush to contain an alp break with a cure for which success is uncertain as it ever was. a benefits all welcome what we learn our lesson this time something our leaders need to have a good long think about it's also something alaska harvard professor about it about it 1st a little history lesson for pandemics have shaped history they of course bring with them death an economic devastation but they can also be a catalyst for change progress and innovation for example the plague the most fatal pandemic in human history it killed a 3rd of europe's population in the 14th century. as a result labor was scarce and costly which resulted in innovations like

. 3-4 years after the sars crisis, people had sars antibodies through them, the epidemic fizzled, ande had studies showing five, six, seven years later people still had antibodies against sars. i think that's actually good news. >> laura: the media is kind of dismissing this, dr. oskuo i want you to raise the objections were raising on "the angle." >> when viruses progress, they don't make this phenomenon is known as muller's ratchet. there is a a nice study out of university of pittsburg medical center that shows different strains, using that strain to document this. this is virology 101. they usually mutate, as well as herd immunity, that no longer make people so well. >> laura: i want to get to these new studies on hydroxychloroquine. saying hydroxychloroquine is dangerous for doctors dominic patience with in the largest reported cohort of covid-19 patience tont date, treated with hydroxychloroquine, plus or minus azithromycin, no t sins of ppe or arithmetic death were reported. two studies competing of hydroxy's use, are these studies of equal value and what are the takeaways? >>

or not we can eradicate a disease smallpox is a great example we're a have done that and possibly sars but there are also diseases that could have been better contained where we have failed hiv is the most tragic example we knew what we needed to do in the 1980 s. to contain that disease and we were unable to do so we now have very effective treatment for hiv if we got every person on the planet who now has hiv to take medicines reliably if we get them the medicines we could a radical hiv but we haven't done that yet and what that shows is it's not simply a question of having the technology needed to eradicate a disease but also to have the systems in place to provide that care that treatment and the political will to to bring the eradication campaigns to fruition it's too soon to tell what will happen with coated if there's an animal reservoir it will be very hard to eradicate but the success of some countries shows the tremendous progress can be made and we just need to bring that progress to the rest of the world. have a university thanks very much and so you've got lots of question

and has worked very well in certain situations the other disease that we seem to have eradicated is sars after killing 774 people in 20022003 there hasn't been a case of sars since 2004 and that was done entirely with surveillance and isolation without a vaccine so we know what to do if we set our minds to it what we required to eradicate coated it would be wonderful if we develop a vaccine it will be wonderful if we develop effective treatments but many countries have done a terrific job with the technology we already have china and germany have significant we're reduced cases australia and new zealand are on the verge of declaring the disease contained but in many countries especially in united states but many other countries in the world the disease is continuing to spread we just need to mobilize the resources and the political will to do what we already know and then we should be able to achieve success but based on what sort of success because why us of infectious diseases able to be wiped out totally enough is not. that there are many things that determine whether or not we can er

to go back to the sars epidemic, it's killing 20% of the people that got about 2000 people got it. it is stimulated including the united states to develop a vaccine. but to find out how this thing works because it seemed to be so much different than the common cold. but the thing that really saved us into thousand three is that size was only contagious with people that were symptomatic. so you can really only spread it when you are showing symptoms, coughing, fever, whatever. in different influenza which can be spread a symptomatically, people who have it don't show any symptoms, presymptomatic by people in the incubation. this gives influenza wing supply that coronavirus in the stars form did not. because of the trade of the virus is easier to suppress, within a year there were no more cases, research on a vaccine, this could have been preventable sars with the chief of humanity and to have the capacity in the universal dissemination of the spanish flu in 1918 and 1919, the greatest single mortality in human history. then in 2012, there was an outbreak in saudi arabia, the respira

epidemic, sars was frightening, sars was initially coming 30% of the people, 2000 people got it and it stimulated a crash program in the united states to find antivirals to develop a vaccine to understand how this thing worked because it was so much different than the common cold, but the thing that really saved us in 2003 is the fact that sars was only contagious when people were symptomatic so you only spread it when you were displaying symptoms. influenza could spread a symptomatically, people who have it, presymptomatic by people in the incubation stage. this gives influenza a supply that coronavirus didn't and it was easier to suppress. a lot of luck was involved and within a year, more cases, research on a vaccine, sars, the chief enemy of humanity was just in avian blue that would have the killing capacity and universal dissemination of the spanish flu in 1918-1919. then in 2012 there was an outbreak in saudi arabia. middle east respiratory syndrome and this is the curse of 2 common. don't know if you remember the mummy movies where you go into the tomb, diseases are carried

covid-19 coronavirus, sars coronavirus type 2. it in some ways is it representing -- ways it represents what you see in people. not every animal they get infected dies. they have a relatively moderate course of the disease. if you do the studies to look at the levels of virus in blood and other parts of the animal, as well as the response -- the immune response against the virus, it looks like it is a pretty good model. defining atep was reliable animal model. then using that, they were able to show remdesivir was the drug you are viewers have probably read about or heard about so much over the last couple of weeks or so. did showed treating these nonhuman primates with that antiviral medication was able to immediately erase the course of the infection. that has been mirrored in clinical trials in people in several different locations around the world. that is very, very encouraging. our investigators are also in collaborating with a number of groups around the to figure outg what is going to be the best and most useful vaccine pl

we cannot assume that we will for sars cov 2. even if, in the near term, we cannot develop a truly effective treatment of the disease. from avik roy, our guest the foundation for research on equal opportunity. you can find the work of the organization at freopp.org. he is here to take your questions and comments. one of the things we have seen as far as other countries have handle this is sweden's approach. withou familiarize those the approach that country takes and what is right or wrong about it? guest: it is an interesting case study. did a basically never total lockdown the way that we have gotten used to in the u.s. that is not to say they did nothing. they shut down sporting events, prohibited bars where you have ,ig crowds in front of the bar prohibited that. they primitive crowded gatherings. but they did not prevent restaurants from continuing to serve customers, did not close down retail shops or businesses. part of their theory was we might be with this disease, or this disease may be with us, for a long time, and we

2002 corona virus jumped from bats to people like a sivits and this is then what went on to become sars epidemic and it happened again in 2012 when a corona virus jumped from bats to people this time die of camels and this then became the merest epidemic there are speculations that the current covert 1000 pandemic could be jumping from bats to people via pangolins but there are also other theories and we're we simply just don't know for sure whether we think that happened there that transferral from animal to human. exactly so it was aware with that spill over a while and what we know is that the pen demick has natural origins it wasn't manufactured in a lap or anything like that but what we have less evidence about is where the spillover event happened did it happen at the wet market in who has consistently maintained by the chinese government it's a likely theory you know wet markets where animals are slaughtered and sold on the spot provide ideal conditions for viruses to jump from one species to another and some of the early reported cases had connections to the market but not all o

there to support the idea of blood borne transmission to invade the body we're pretty certain that sars cove too has to latch on to a particular receptor called ace to that's found in the cells in the upper respiratory tract as well as in the lungs the arteries the kidneys the heart and the gut. in cells that don't have a stew receptors like those in your skin and you're stuck cutaneous tissue the virus simply has no way to get in so at least in theory even if sars could have to got into an open scratch say on your finger it wouldn't be able to infect you that way but it might if you use that finger to rub your eye. i have heard about studies involving the b.c.g. vaccine are there any indications it could provide protection against covert 19 the b.c.g. vaccine is a vaccine against tuberculosis that's been around for around a 100 years and it still used widely in places where tb is endemic it isn't really terrifically great at preventing t.v. but it does seem to have some nonspecific effects on on the immune system as a whole the reason some researchers think it might provide some protec

you know, i was reading over the weekend on sars.you know, sars began the respiratory coronavirus that started in china began to spread around the world. but you know why sars didn't become covid-19? because there was early a w.h.o.-enabled global coordination to stop the spread. and, you know, when you have all these global issues that require global governance and there is no global government, the only way to replace it has been american-led multinational, multilateral coalitions and we're dissembling those. >> what do you think of this place we're at? you mentioned sars. there's been ebola. there's been mers. but in a sense i also feel as though there's been other shocks to the system. the financial crisis. 9/11. it feels like there's something about this world we're in, hyper globalized, hyper connected, that is prone to some of this kind of thing. we're not buying enough insurance. >> well, i'm writing about this now. as i look back on my own writing over the last 20 years, pandemics are us. i basically started covering a geopo

because there aren't any along with sars to 6 other coronaviruses are currently known to infect human beings 4 of them only cause cold like sometimes so they're annoying but not really worth the huge efforts that would be required to develop a vaccine against them there's been a lot more work done on potential vaccines against the much more deadly coronavirus diseases sars and murders that work hasn't produced any approved vaccines yet however it has really given researchers a running start when it comes to developing approaches because of sars and maurice quite a lot of a preliminary science has been done when it comes to coronavirus vaccine development in general and that's what's fueling hopes that we might be able to produce a covert 1000 vaccine quite quickly as these things go according to most experts within 12 to 18 months. and what are the long term consequences for people who have contracted cope with. this is one of those things that we don't know yet it will take years before we have a really clear picture of how the corona virus can impact on your health over the long ter

immunity to other coronaviruses in circulation how likely is it we could develop lasting immunity to sars cove 2 there's still a lot we don't know about immunity and coronaviruses everyone is still being pretty cagey about whether people who contract covered $1000.00 have had any and unity afterwards including the experts at the w.h.o. no one wants to go out on a limb but but pretty much everyone believes they do at least to some extent so assuming that the question then becomes for how long many by rather just making educated guesses assume that having the disease will provide people who recover with at least some protection against reinfection for at least a year antibody levels against the other corona viruses that affect us are usually detectable in recovery patients for for longer than that before they start to wane and the length of immunity will probably be linked among other factors too to help badly sars cove to affected someone. is it true that size cove too has been found in semen. the recent small scale study from china did indeed find the virus and in semen the researchers ch

much faster than what happened with sars. they also realized belatedly in this particular case their censorship of control was exacerbating the public health crisis. on january 21st, the communist party, central, political, and legal affairs commission posted a statement "whoever delays or conceals reporting for the sake of their own interests will be forever nailed to history's pillar of shame." the post was later removed probably because it revealed that people had been delaying and concealing reports. in any event, by the end of january, the world health organization had announced a global health emergency and several places moved quickly to combat it. the united states was not one of them. had trump done so, america would be in a very different situation today. taiwan, which gets millions of travelers from mainland china each year, did not close its borders to china until after the u.s., yet it took smart, targeted steps early to limit the spread. as of saturday, it has had seven deaths from covid-19. adjusted for populat

you are the national security advisor during the sars outbreak.hat are the important similarities or differences between then and now? >> one of the unfortunate similarities was also hard to get information out of china during the sars outbreak. we knew that something had happened it was very hard to get an answer of what had happened. that's unfortunately recurring pattern this time around and probably the most troubling aspect of this crisis. it's kind of in the nature it is in the nature of the chinese system and authoritarian system that control of information is power. control of the narrative is power. we shouldn't be surprised that when this outbreak happens in wuhan they silenced the young physicians and medical students who were trying to sound the alarm. can you imagine those people being silent in the united states? or in any country in germany or brazil? no. somebody would've picked up the story in the press it would've been known there was a problem but the chinese did what authoritarians do. they silenced those who were trying to sou

this secondin sars-like virus, he was elevated to national prominence.aluable hisne how expertise has been to us and our community? theas sharing his insights, distinctive nature of this very inflammatory infection, how it howdifferent, healthy -- they were treating patients in the icu on the ventilator. that provided our physicians with advanced warning for how to deal with this virus. think of the importance of international cooperation. it is essential. host: in early february, on the first day of the new month, we had seven cases here in the u.s.. later, 189,000 cases. today, almost 1.2 million cases. when you look at that and hear those numbers, what do you think? guest: that is the nature of an epidemic. it is exponential in its growth. in early january, when there were simple whispers of a growing ammonia of unknown cause in china, that stuff the ears of those in the medical community that this could grow out of control. when an infection spreads from one person to three or four others, then to another three or four others, it grows by leaps and b

outbreak, they have seen previous sars outbreak, they have seen it before, and they were not going toourselves and many of the other european countries, we are a bit slower off the mark. we weren't as prepared, i think, is quite frankly the conclusion i would come to. but there are lots and lots of reasons for that, one could point the finger at ministers and politicians for not being willing to listen to scientific advice, you could point the finger at the centres for not actually being explicit enough. at the end of the day, all of these things interact with public opinion has well and i think politicians would, some would have loved to reacted earlier, but in their political opinion, it probably was not feasible to do that because people would not have, perhaps would not have responded in the way they eventually did. but from your understanding, what was the balance there? we know that the government health scientists, professor chris whitty and sir patrick vallance, they were hesitant about going into lockdown too early, ministers at that point were explicit about how closely they

this covid-19 is the second sars-like virus. research was being done to find out more about sars. over the last 15 years, china doubled the number of known viruses. we collected 2,000. now we have 4,000. because all these hundreds of thousands of viruses are being kept in these two bio labs in the city of wuhan. many of those are dangerous. some of those coronavirus are cape be of directly infecting human lung tissue. does that sound familiar? does it sounds like it could cause pneumonia? >> if this had come and originated from the wet market. the chinese communist government would have burned it to the ground. will covid-19 trigger the end of communist china as we know it? one expert says it does. "the return of drifting" "drafting" "the return of the slide job" "ripping the wall" "gas-n-go" "bump-n-run" "the return of loud" "nascar is back, and xfinity is bringing you the best seat in the house." jesse: our relationship with china is complicated. we signed an historic trade deal with china. but that deal could be in jeopardy.

>> daszak: the closest known relative is one that's different enough that it is not sars-cov-2. so, there's just no evidence that anybody had it in the lab, anywhere in the world, prior to the outbreak. >> gaetz: i have called on secretary azar to immediately halt this grant to the wuhan institute of virology. they have not been honest, and at worst, they've been negligent to the point of many, many deaths throughout the world. >> pelley: dishonest and negligent allegations have now ended ecohealth's carefully- reviewed research designed to stop pandemics. representative matt gaetz wore a gas mask on the floor of the house to lampoon the crisis. this was back in the beginning of march, weeks before masks were common. r dasz, whose researchers wear masks to shield them from viruses in the wild, says his team is now facing layoffs. >> daszak: this politicization of science is really damaging. you know, the conspiracy theories out there have essentially closed down communication between scientists in china and scientists in the u.s. we need that communication in an outbreak to lear

and more likely to >>i'm a sars or sars or mers sars another coronavirus induce a infection. yeah, and we know people who smoke have worse courses in terms of these other infectious diseases. >>a bill called the heroes act was unveiled today it would be more than trillion for coronavirus relief. it includes 275 billion for testing and health care worker hazard pay. trillion for state and local governments. the house is planning a vote possibly friday. some senate republicans though calling it a democratic wish list saying it has no chance of passing the senate. >>let's get so much unrelated the coronavirus it is dead on arrival here can people of the heroes on the front lines are worth investing in providing relief to. >>a senator lindsey graham you saw a moment ago says money from the last package should be spent first before proven trillions more. the bill is likely to pass the house on friday. i talk to our political analyst today about the continued political fallout surrounding the pandemic and how leaders like governor newsome might only be beginning to face the pain. >

and more likely to >>a sars or sars or mers sars another coronavirus induce a infection. and we know people who smoke have worse courses in terms of these other infectious diseases. >>a bill called the heroes act was unveiled today it would mean more than $3 trillion for coronavirus relief it includes 275 billion for testing for health care worker hazard pay a trillion for state and local governments among other things the house is planning a probably later this week, although some senate republicans call it a democratic wish list with no chance of passing in the senate. >>let's get so much unrelated the coronavirus it is dead on arrival here can people of the heroes on the front lines are invested in providing relief to. >>senator lindsey graham says money from the last relief package should be spent before proven trillions more. the bill is expected to pass the house probably friday. republicans have retaken a democratic held a congressional seat in southern california. the first time that's happened in the state since 1998. i ask our political analysts whether they thi

the same mutation was found in the later days of the sars outbreak. more similarities discovered between the wuhan virus and sars. dutch scientists say an antibody that blocked the sars virus from hooking onto cells and inserting its generic material into healthy cells acts similarly to the wuhan virus. researchers believe the effects are similar because both sars and the wuhan virus stem from the same coronavirus family. well, joining us tonight, dr. ian lipken, director from the center of infection and immunity at columbia university. he's personally recovered from coronavirus. he is conducting clinical trials using plasma drawn from recovered patients to protect others. a promising, promising technique, and i want to ask, first, how the trials are going. are you pleased? >> they're going well, lou. and it's a great lead-in to this antibody story that you just related. the identification of an antibody that has the potential to prevent the virus from attaching to your cells and causing infections is excellent news. typically when we have something l

you were national security adviser during the sars outbreak. what are the similarities or differences between now and then? >> one of the unfortunate similarities is it was hard to get information out of china. we knew something had happened. it was very hard to get answers out of china what had happened and that is unfortunately a recurring pattern this time around and probably the most troubling aspect of this crisis. it is in the nature of the chinese system. an authoritarian system that control of information is power. control of the narrative is power so we shouldn't be surprised that when this outbreak happened they silenced the young physicians and medical students who were trying to sound the alarm. you imagine those people being silenced in the united states or germany or brazil? know. somebody picks up the story in the press, but the chinese did what authoritarians do, silenced those were trying to sound the alarm and want to have time to develop the narrative that would be blessed by the communists party which means go all the way to

that is absolutely something we saw during sars, and we are living through that now, but there are key differences. some of it is scale relay. ebola, we solved very deadly and inc in 2014, 2016, the democratic republic of congo that is still not fully over. both in the west africa epidemic are014 and the drc, there international resources were countries can pitch in to contain the spread of the disease. and you have a pandemic essentially every country affected at once, those resources are small compared to the need and have to be deluded over the globe. it puts pressure on national governments to do all they can to take care of their people. host: we had two callers earlier. one question was how long does the virus live on a surface? we know it is an airborne respiratory illness spread among the public, but how long does it stay on a surface? guest: we don't typically think the virus is airborne in the wheenense, meaning facebook.com\cspa -- when we talk about airborne, were talking about the particles being in there for some time. most evidence suggests that viruses spread from dropl

how long do microscopic droplets containing sars couvade to remain in the air. i touched on this question once a few weeks ago but it's time to answer it again as we now have more data on whether or not sars go to might be what's often called airborne we know the virus is transmitted by larger droplets that come out when you sneeze or cough but what about the tiny droplets called aerosols that you amid all the time when you speak could they also transmit the infection a new study indicates that they might be using extremely sensitive lasers the researchers tracked aerosols emitted by test subjects speaking and detected at least a 1000 tiny droplets a minute if those people had been infected could possibly have contained virus and those droplets remain floating in the air for 8 to 14 minutes we don't know how many viruses it takes to make someone sick but the work says at least in enclosed spaces probabilities are high that infected people could transmit the virus simply by speaking loud the testing was done in the lab of course and not under real world air circu

i wanna able to contain the spread of covered 19 so successfully taiwan was badly affected by the sars outbreak back in 2003 it killed over 180 people there its mortality rate was was higher than anywhere else in the world and after that the island's government put detailed plans in place to deal with possible future outbreaks and they kicked in very quickly after the very 1st reports of a of a new pneumonia and on days or even weeks before most of us had even heard of this disease the actions that were taken appear to have contained at 19 very well they included border controls a 14 day quarantine on international arrivals closing venue's where large numbers of people could gather and a ban on the export of protective masks so far there have been fewer than 500 cases of covert 900 on the island and just in just a handful of deaths. how effective is social distance in preventing the spread of covert 19 a research team in germany looked into this and found strong correlations between the introduction of specific interventions and the spread of cope at 19 in the country using established

an impact 2 weeks after they were implemented which which dovetails with predictions involving the sars cove 2 incubation period the team also tried to break down exactly which measures had which effects and can. cloo did that their growth rates were slowed most dramatically by prohibiting large public gatherings later decisions to close schools and then non-essential stores during what was called the country's lockdown white also had measurable effects the team concluded that it took all 3 measures to flatten germany's curve so quickly. and to questions through derek on you tube channel finally i've seen a lot of bad haircuts with lawns having been closed i even tried cutting my own that was a disaster but head dresses are opening again in many places thank goodness kenya is one particular style in demand and it's actually a lot cheaper than other complex to use the corona cause it resembles a virus and it spikes similar styles were popular in africa well before the crisis but fell out of fashion now it's back by august it's a. virus that i don't mind the haircut by boss i've been phys

china was particularly guilty of that in the sars -- for sars outbreak, but indonesia has had a problem with that too and that's why i chose indonesia for the local, origin of this and there was an odd reaction in indonesia during one of the outbreaks which was they felt that scientists were exploiting a virus that belonged to indonesia. in other words, it was like a national resource and that they should be -- they should gain part of the patent money and stuff like that. it really led to an interesting argument, but, you know that kind of in-fighting while scientists are trying to figure out how to stop a killer virus is very damaging. we need -- i for one would be much more if favor of courting some authority to the world health organization. it has no authority at all, when china said you can't go come, they have no way of going without permission. >> i'm totally with you on that point. i thought -- i did frankly think that they were a little bit too -- too complementary of china, but the idea of defunding them at this juncture just strikes me as -- as completely crazy. >> world hea