manafort, your lawyers are probably telling you, sara fagen, this is probably as good as it gets. >> yes. >> you better start thinking about how you want to spend the rest of your life. >> i think that's absolutely true. and that gets to the conversation we had earlier on the show, which is is there still a deal to be had here? does manafort look at this next trial and think how do i reduce this sentence? because if you're right and the sentence comes after the next trial he has a very big card to play yet and that is whether he cooperates, whether he cuts a deal. >> there is one thing, eugene, that i -- because -- the question is how much does paul manafort have to offer? he was in the trump tower meeting. that matters. >> absolutely. and that's why we're still looking to see what happened. the whole idea that none of this has anything to do with russia implies this whole situation is over. and we know it's just beginning. >> well, this trial didn't have anything to do with russia. and i think, you know, to the conversation you started earlier before the president -- >> jumped in. >