. >> is that true, sara fagen? >> i think it's unquestionably the trump party and i think it's going to stay the trump party. one of the things we haven't talked about tonight is how few independent votes there were. i know they didn't get a lot of coverage but they were on ballots, and these third party candidates got almost no votes and that also contributed to both of these candidates doing better in many of these jurisdictions. we talk a lot about this shy trump voter. i often have thought it was about 3%. it looks like it was closer to 6% tonight. >> huge difference, sara fagen, thanks very much. we'll be right back. >>> 4:30 in the east. we are waiti votes to come in in wisconsin and arizona. still waiting on nevada as well and know it's going to take longer in michigan and pennsylvania. georgia and north carolina. right now divided between joe biden and donald trump. 221 electoral votes for joe biden, 213 for donald trump. donald trump's republican party right now, what does he do in the aftermath if he is a

you're driving me crazy. >> sara fagen, the president got god news from your home state of iowa, "thegister" poll shows a 7-point lead. >> yeah, this has a lot of republicans excited. the president got other good news. gallop polled are you better off than three years ago? 61% of the country says they're better off than they were three years ago. we're in a pandemic. we don't know how that plays. we assume that will have the biggest impact. if any other republican were on the ballot with a number like that -- >> this has been an issue, a paradox we've seen. people think they're doing better, but the country is not doing better. >> the question is will people vote in their own self-interest. this race feels like it's closing. i agree with chris' analysis completely. north carolina is the epicenter of the presidential race. it's also probably the epicenter of who is going to control the senate. joni ernst looks like she'll win iowa. thom tillis is the other important race for republicans. >> donna brazile, you spent a lot of town in north carolina. >> i have, george. i never thought tha

sara fagen, ceo of deep root analytics. former chicago mayor rahm emanuel.blican governor of new jersey. governor, president trump claimed without any evidence that the election is being stolen from them. what kind of message is he sending to people who follow his every word? >> listen, byron, you know -- he has every right to go and pursue whatever legal action he wants to pursue. if he feels like he's being wronged by this process. my point, though, is if you're going to make those charges, you've got to lay out the evidence at the same time. because the people, not only just his supporters, but all americans, look at the president of the united states and say, if you're going to make that statement from behind that podium in the white house, then lay out the evidence. it's like me when i was a prosecutor all those years. it's like bringing an indictment before i review the evidence. you've got to have the evidence there. the american people deserve to hear why you're saying what you're saying. not just what you're saying. but why you're saying it. and dep

matt dowd, sara fagen, barbara comstock about what team trump hopes to gain. >> i'd have to agree with who today said he's eviscerated his credibility internationally. but i think fortunately you've seen people generally understand which way this is going. the legal case is not -- they don't have serious lawyers, they haven't made serious allegations with backed-up information such that we had in the 2000 recount. so i think you will see this sputtering to an end fairly quickly. >> matt, even though the president said we had to know the results that night, he and his inner circle have not gotten any closer to accepting the realities of the numbers. should the nation continue to be patient, or is it time to put up or shut up? >> well, i think the nation has moved on. you look around. i live in a town which voted for donald trump. they've taken their maga flags down. they've taken their banners down. they've moved on. they want to talk about thanksgiving and what we're going to have and what are people going to do. i saw a poll today, 80% of the people said -- 80% of the voters including

i want to go to sara fagen. pat toomey seemed to be walking the same line that mitch mcconnell came out with. every ballot must be counted. if there are illegal ballots, we'll investigate it. >> that's all you can do as a republican. there is not evidence of widespread faraud. it doesn't help any political leaders who want bright futures to say there's fraud when there's no evidence of it. i agree whole heartedly with governor christie. this campaign lacks a legal strategy. it would have been smarter to focus solely on pennsylvania, the fact that perhaps as senator toomey just said, republicans are not being allowed to witness the ballots. i heard the same thing from somebody in clark county last night who i talked to on the phone. no republican has been allowed in the counting center. it doesn't mean there's fraud. that does lay concern. you have to lay groundwork before you come out with a sledge hammer and allege widespread fraud. the campaign has failed to do that. >> jon karl, we saw the president trying to

right now i'm joined by republican strategist sara fag n fagen, yvette simpson, ceo of democracy foroe biden spoke to the nation earlier tonight. what was your takeaway? >> well, i think he wanted to give a different speech. they had thought they were going to give the victory speech because they thought the networks were going to have declared the race already over but he couldn't do that. he gave a conciliatory speech. it reminded me of the husband, i mean, the father of a bride and the bride's seven months' pregnant and he's like, am i supposed to tell everybody she's pregnant? no, no, don't tell everybody she's pregnant. well, everybody knows she's pregnant. that's what biden's position was. everybody knows how this is going to turn out but he's like, don't say it yet. >> yvette, we know the president is making a lot of noise and claiming baseless legal threats. should biden be more aggressive in responding? >> i think at this stage it's better for him to take the calm approach. we don't want people to get too worried. we know folks are already anxious and might take the lead. i