sara hayat is a lawyer specializing in climate change policy.eter ophoff is the head of international federation of red cross and red crescent societies. i know you have worked in several different countries dealing with situations like this in preparation for them, peter. how does this situation compare with what you have seen? peter: thank you for having me on the program. indeed i have been working for the red cross red crescent for a long time. the situation we see here in pakistan is i would say unprecedented. we have been working in many operations. the last year, really devastating and the force that it has, people would clearly not prepared. nobody can be prepared for such a thing. the impact is huge. this is something we will see for a very long time to come as the situation is very dire in pakistan. rob: pakistan has faced severe floods before. it has had extreme weather on both sides of the scale if you like. this is something significantly different. what is different this time? >> for starters i think one of the things we have seen

amna: for more on the floods in pakistan, i spoke earlier today with sara hayat, a lawyer specializingclimate change and an adjunct professor at the lahore university of management sciences. i began by asking her who in pakistan is hardest hit. sara: well, pretty much all provinces are hit at some level or another. and the country itself, all of pakistan, really. one in seven pakistanis are sleeping out in the open these days. that is the scale of devastation, really. in 2010, pakistan is what we hit -- was hit with what we call the super floods. at that point, 20 million people were left homeless. the kind of destruction that we faced was unprecedented. but these floods are worse than those in terms of scale and the kind of the devastation, the -- that they are posing. amna: what can you tell us about the government response or any kind of aid? has that been able to make its way to anyone in the country? sara: pakistan has made calls for aid and we have responses. the united kingdom, the united states, the united arab emires have all offered aid and are sending it. turkiye has sent re