. >> reporter: democrats say it was a group within the tax exempt division that sara ingraham had hadd that targeted conservative groups. that she was not involved. the republicans are dubious and say, sara ingraham certainly be headed up the much larger job of implementing obamacare. but she is. she is in charge of the new health insurance and new fines associated with obamacare. that worries some in the g.o.p. >> so she provided horrendous customer service under her watch and now she is going to do the same implementing obamacare -- swel l. this is perfect example why we need tax reform. >> reporter: at a hearing on the irs scandal yesterday, the outgoing irs commissioner steven miller who was fired because of the scandal came to ingraham's defense. >> why would you promote somebody in that position that was in charge that certainly has some controversy over the last couple years under an investigation. >> because she is a suburb civil servant. >> she had nothing to do with this? >> i wouldn't imagine so. >> reporter: and sandra levin that ingraham had any inkling of the problems in

then sara ingraham is going to be the run that will be running the division. so many questions came up with the exemption post she had. the other question the fight against obamacare to repeal it. it's hardly done. the situation with the irs provide quote, unquote, ammunition for those that want to talk obamacare? >> two of most unpopular things in collision, irs and obamacare. those are both very unpopular. think there they are so unpopular democrats are panicking this will be major issue the failure of obamacare to work. i think we're going to see calls in congress by democrats of a moratorium, a pause and delay in the implementation of obamacare. think the delay is soon going to come upon us. >> jamie: we know what the impact will be on the american people. interesting john, glad we brought you in on this topic. >> eric: keeping us safe. president is proposing some major changes to the nation's counter-terrorism policy. but will the new plan better protect us. two powerful lawmakers weigh in. that is next. uh-oh! guess what day it is?? guess what day it is!

charge of overseeing this exemption scrutiny to a greater degree to on now be the one to implement sara ingrahamourse. to now see the overimplemented it's of obamacare that many people will be relying on their future healthcare. is that a red flag? is eight red herring? what is it? >> it could be a red flag depending on what the investigation turns out to be. what did she know. did she know a lot and not tell congress. was he is in the middle of this. you have to have the trust of the irs as well as hhs as they implement this big huge landmark law. the obama administration knows that. if she is tainted by this scandle, that is something they are going to have to make a decision if she is going to continue to head this office of implementing the tax provisions of the new law. the bulk is going into effect in a few months. this lab huge issue in the next election. that is something that the republicans and white house will be looking into it. >> jamie: it's interesting that you bring that up. congressional approval polls continue to be down and recent gallup poll 16% approve of congress. do you th

that woman, sara ingraham was head of group that admitted to blocking conservative groups.t a promotion from the obama administration. she is now in charge of administering obamacare. translation, we couldn't trust you of handling our money so we're going to make you in charge of handling health issues. this could be deadly. >> i want to have a life like this $103,000 and a bonus. where can i sign up for this. do a bad job, target americans and then you get a reward. you get to run obamacare and you get money extra for it. this is about as absurd as susan rice becoming the head of national security advisor? [ laughter ] >> eric: show he biased against conservatives prove to me they won't do the same thing in obamacare. >> bob: i would be surprised if this woman has the job later on. if i were in a position to do so given the story and given the fact she was overseeing this issue it would raise so many questions about obamacare it's probably better to put other someplace else. >> eric: someplace else or let her go. good for you. >> dana: i don't think it's about her personal

a woman named sara ingraham has been appointed as the director of the affordable care act office. that means she is in charge of making sure businesses apply with obama care. if they don't, they could get fined. some people are upsays about this because of ms. ingraham's background. here now fox news business anchor lou dobbs. before we get to the irs story that's what this is all about. >> absolutely. >> bill: americans making a legal donation and all of the sudden their personal lives are being investigated and the irs comes down the train running legal fees up. >> and the arrogance for the irs to step in. van der sloot is multimillionaire with great resource accountants and attorneys and they hammer him with irs audits. labor department surveys. i mean that's powerful intimidation. >> bill: that is what the irs story saul about. if you ask miller i don't think anybody knows about it. >> nobody knows. >> this is a man of such arrogance he knows is he beyond the power of the congress. he told them basically i'm not playing, i'm not talking. and i will have to be forced to talk. >

sara ha hall ingraham served as commissioner of the office responsible for tax exempt organizations betweenand 2012. mike emanuel is live capitol hill. >> congressional sources confirm that sarah hall ingraham is now leading the office that handles the healthcare law under the new healthcare law there is tremendous power for the irs in terms of enforcement, going after companies that don't implement the law. that don't go along with it it there is also fee collection. so one of the things that people up here on capitol hill are concerned about is they think the american public doesn't realize the full breath of the power, if you will, of the irs, shep. >> shepard: right, mike. i wonder what we are expecting in this hearing tomorrow. >> expect it to be tough. there will be a fair amount of no we didn't, yes, you did, as you have the inspector general sitting next to the outgoing acting commissioner leading republicans are saying they want people to be held accountable. >> what we need certainly is prosecution of people who break the law. but we also need to make sure we have an administratio

. >> alisyn: and we heard from sara ingraham the person in charge of the tax exempt status division whilehat will be overseeing the implementation of obamacare and which companies are complying and which companies are non-complying and that doesn't sit too well with too many republicans. >> she was promoted, can you imagine? >> and how obamacare will be implemented and whether or not it will be targeting certain companies. >> you are just paranoid. >> you want the black helicopters. here is congressman mike kelly earlier today. >> my goodness, ago says to private information? we've seen enough of this. this is movie played way too long. it's time to demand that the american people have the right to do, this is government for the people to demand that you get the kind of government that the founders promised. it's up to us as individual citizens to demand it to the people that we sent to represent us that they do the right job. you don't promote people for doing a bad job. you don't promote people for being income tend. >> clayton: let's not forget the human face for all of this. individua