me now, sam seder, host of the online podcast, majority report, and investigative journalist, sara posenerstory about former president's involvement with the messianic jewish group for the november issue. sara, what are you surprised when you found out he was speaking there? >> i was very surprised. bush, as you mentioned in the opening segment, is an evangelical. he was very open about that as president. and he very openly coalesced with evangelical groups when he was running for president and while he was in the white house. but this group is fundamentally different from your average evangelical organization. and to sort of elaborate a little bit on what ralph reed was talking about earlier, it's not nearly that they're proselytizing jews or engaging in what he called targeted proselytization of jews. this is a group that still says they're jewish, despite accepting jesus as messiah. >> ralph reed basically distanced himself from it. "i'm not crazy about this approach," is essentially what he said. which is saying something that george w. bush is going to speak to these people. >> yes, i