and sarah bernhard took her hand and said, oh, my poor dear!ore you know about something, the more you realize how difficult it is to be really good at it. >> i had the luxury once of spending nine months in a rehearsal room with tom stoppard. we did a film about mid 19th 19th century russian radicals. i guess he was nearing his 70th birthday when we did that. the director is one of the great american theater directors jack o'brien who -- they're the same generation. they were clearly in a room that i was not in. i found it really exciting. >> charlie: meaning that they knew and understood things that you hadn't experienced. >> yeah. >> charlie: or come to appreciate. >> were made to feel quite often that wisdom is placed pretty low on the totem pole of things that are interesting, right. and if you spend time with it and spend time with people who value it, it becomes very exciting. and i walked away from that experience, really looking forward to the rest of my life, as opposed to -- i mean there's a danger -- i'm sure there this is not news