joining the panel is sarah ellison. she has written extensively about the murdoch family.ory is called "murdoch's civil war." we were talking before the segment started about the magnitude of this scandal. i think especially for a u.s. audience, the fact that -- i'll read an excerpt from john major's testimony in the "new york times." he wished me to change our european policies. this is speaking of rupert murdoch. he wished me to change our european policies. if we couldn't change our european policies, his papers could not, would not support our conservative government. it's not very often someone sits in front of a prime minister and says to a prime minister, i would like you to change your policy, and if you don't change your policy, my organization cannot support you. just shocking the amount of power rupert murdoch has, slash had. >> when you look at the uk, the entire media elite, political elite, evidently the police and all other sorts of public officials, were completely captive by his empire and the kind of intimidation. we talked about this as sort of an ongoin

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