to jamie klingler, co—founder of reclaim these streets, a group set up following the murder of sarah everardn south london in march 2021. welcome, thank you very much for being with us. what do you make of the government having a review of extremism, and potentially including online misogyny in that? it’s a online misogyny in that? it's a ureat online misogyny in that? it's a great step _ online misogyny in that? it's a great step in _ online misogyny in that? it's a great step in the _ online misogyny in that? it's a great step in the right - online misogyny in that? it's a great step in the right direction. if youte — great step in the right direction. if you're not recognising a problem you are _ if you're not recognising a problem you are not — if you're not recognising a problem you are not fixing it, and for so long _ you are not fixing it, and for so long we — you are not fixing it, and for so long we have been campaigning for misogyny— long we have been campaigning for misogyny to be recognised. and at one point, — misogyny to be recognised. and at one point, the monday after the vid

after sarah everard's murder in south london. there was a peaceful vigil by women feminists.this photo of this young woman who was handcuffed and put on the floor, by the police officers. yes. and that was a peaceful protest. so when you're talking about double standards, i'm wondering where do are you suggesting. >> but no one doubts that i agree with that. >> i remember at the time i was an mp and people were complaining about that. they were saying that they were being victimised wrongly because they were peaceful. so what are you suggesting that the police is more pro—muslim than they are, >> pro feminism and pro, nationalism or however else you would like to. >> i'm not imputing any motive. i'm just saying there is a mismatch between, as you point out , the peaceful protests when out, the peaceful protests when sarah everard was killed by a policeman and the protests last yesterday, southport peaceful to you and no, i'm just saying that there was there's definitely a double standard and you were admitting that you're saying that the, the sarah everard protests were harsh

and at one point, actually the monday after the vigil for sarah everard, borisjohnson had promised itoing to happen and then six months later, they said they weren't able to do it because it would overwhelm the police. and thatjust puts you in the state of mind that it's not a mitigating factor, and it doesn't recognise that a lot of times when women are attacked, it's much less about our personal belongings and much more about keeping ourselves from getting raped. and that's the difference. it's one thing if you grab my bag and take my money, fine, but if you're then threatening me because i'm a woman, it is a mitigating factor of a hate crime. so what would you like the government to see, to do then, to tackle this? i think this is the first step because mitigating factors and the data behind how many crimes are initiated because the victim is a woman, we have to have that data in order to make the decisions on sentencing guidelines and work towards helping those women a lot more. what do you think, though, the government can do when it comes to online misogyny? how strict can they

after sarah everard's murder in south london. there was a peaceful vigil by women feminists.his photo of this young woman who was handcuffed and put on the floor, by the police officers. yes. and that was a peaceful protest. so when you're talking about double standards, i'm wondering where do are you suggesting. >> but no one doubts that i agree with that. >> i remember at the time i was an mp and people were complaining about that. they were saying that they were being victimised wrongly because they were peaceful. so what are you suggesting that the police is more pro—muslim than they are, >> pro feminism and pro, nationalism or however else you would like to. >> i'm not imputing any motive. i'm just saying there is a mismatch between, as you point out , the peaceful protests when out, the peaceful protests when sarah everard was killed by a policeman and the protests last yesterday, southport peaceful to you and no, i'm just saying that there was there's definitely a double standard and you were admitting that you're saying that the, the sarah everard protests were harshl

on the other side of the coin, the anti—lockdown riots, the sarah everard vigil batons were out , everardons were out, police were arresting people. it is a two tier policing system in this country. >> it does appear as though that there are some certain priorities and when you can see what we are able to do, apparently you've got to combine that with, you know, people being let out of prison. now of course, sentences, they said, because people like jake and some let our justice system some let ourjustice system crumble so that there were just 700 cells in the country when they left . they left. >> the tories build two prisons since 2020. and what a process of building a third. so that's tot. let's see how many labour build in the next two years. >> it's not tosh at all. there are 700 cells. more criminals on july fifth available would rather have in prison someone who's tweeted something a bit fruity or someone who's actually been a violent criminal, who's now out after 40% of their sentence. i think what you're saying is dangerous, tosh, because these people are not tweeting , quote unq

. >> i mean, the black lives matter protests were coincident around the time of the sarah everard protestsre extraordinarily heavy handedly policed, and that that's that's part of the issue . you see, i'm part of the issue. you see, i'm not just trying to take a cheap shot at the government, though i do think that keir starmer , as do think that keir starmer, as leader of the opposition, set the wrong tone. i think this has been a problem that has been building up and has made people feel that the police take some instances of violence more seriously, and here i think we agree that they should treat them all the same. absolutely. where we disagree is that you think there's no evidence for two tier policing, and i think that it two tier policing, and i think thatitis two tier policing, and i think that it is a matter we should be concerned about and that we need proper reassurance from the government and indeed from the police. it's why i think sir mark rowley really ought to stand in front of journalists and answer questions, because it's a legitimate question. >> well, i'm always in favou

why were the sarah everard protests aggressively policed when the black lives matter ones were handledkid gloves ? why is handled with kid gloves? why is shouting at muslims dealt with effectively when shouting similar abuse at jewish people has been ignored. the police stood by as colston's statue was torn down and boasted of a successful approach to policing. on that day, the rioters won. so although there may be no intentional double standard, it is the impression that counts equally. why does the metropolitan police now appear to take orders from number 10 with secure as the incumbent? but when suella braverman was home secretary, it made it clear that she could not give orders, as the police are rightly independent of political control . independent of political control. rioting is always wrong and justice must always be done. let justice must always be done. let justice be done. though the heavens fall as ever. let me know your views. mail gb news. com but i'm joined now by ian acheson, senior adviser at the counter extremism project. and thank you very much for coming in. not a

only unearthed when one of its members, wayne couzens, was arrested for the rape and murder of sarah everard. now section 107 of the 2003 communications act was used to prosecute the two officers. although the legislation has come under fire, as in this case, there was no single victim who felt offended by the content. so with me now is professor of commercial law andrew tettenborn, who has been writing about this issue this week. andrew thanks for joining me. this is a difficult one, isn't it , because me. this is a difficult one, isn't it, because this was a horrific crime by wayne couzens. everyone will agree with that. the other officers within the group chat with him, put some probably very unpleasant comments and phrases in that group chat . comments and phrases in that group chat. so can you explain to us why you think that shouldn't be criminalised? >> yeah, certainly. i don't in any way support what they said it was . purile, sorry. it was it was. purile, sorry. it was puerile. it was testosterone fuelled. it's the sort of thing you'd expect to find on the on the school lavatories o

saying that people feel that the police police some things differently, so that if you look at the sarah everardtests, they seem to be policed in a very heavy handed manner, whereas the black lives matters protests were going on at the same point, a policeman was taking the knee and it seemed if they like your protest, you could get away with it. if they didn't like your protest, then you couldn't. and that's very bad for policing because of the way it undermines confidence . confidence. >> oh, absolutely. it it undermines that principle of neutrality , which should be at neutrality, which should be at the heart of policing, in the uk. and i think that what that demonstrates is that there's a degree of ideological selectivity, in terms of how police forces manage and approach, particular protests. and i think that since we're talking about, recent public disorders, i think even the language and the tone which is struck by members of the government, including the home secretary when it comes to, for example , the recent riots in example, the recent riots in southport, you can see that yvette coop

why were the sarah everard protests aggressively policed when the black lives matter ones were handled with kid gloves ? why is handled with kid gloves? why is shouting at muslims dealt with effectively when shouting similar abuse at jewish people has been ignored. the police stood by as colston's statue was torn down and boasted of a successful approach to policing. on that day, the rioters won. so although there may be no intentional double standard, it is the impression that counts equally. why does the metropolitan police now appear to take orders from number 10 with secure as the incumbent? but when suella braverman was home secretary, it made it clear that she could not give orders, as the police are rightly independent of political control . independent of political control. rioting is always wrong and justice must always be done. let justice must always be done. let justice be done. though the heavens fall as ever. let me know your views. mail gb news. com but i'm joined now by ian acheson, senior adviser at the counter extremism project. and thank you very much for coming in.

and indeed, if you remember the sarah everard protest was was also dealt with extremely severely. laws that were at the time being broken. but that's got to apply across the board. it's got to apply to everybody. and you cannot say, you know, this demonstration is more in need of control than that one. >> indeed, now, the prime minister has divided opinion with his focus on the far right. it's pretty clear that a large number of agitators who are racist thugs have been instrumental in what we've seen this week, you and i, and i've got no doubt will condemn it. and i hope that those individuals are prosecuted. but what did you make of the tone of his speech and the lack of accommodation of any wider issues being raised by the prime minister? >> well, he is not going to look at those wider issues and they are undeniably there, there can be no doubt at all. and this is no excuse at all for what's gone on, no excuse at all. but there can be no doubt that immigration is causing a huge amount of concern, most people are concerned in a very responsible and orderly fashion, but it's there

and indeed, if you remember the sarah everard protest was was also dealt with extremely severely. laws that were at the time being broken. but that's got to apply across the board. it's got to apply to everybody. and you cannot say, you know, this demonstration is more in need of control than that one. >> indeed, now, the prime minister has divided opinion with his focus on the far right. it's pretty clear that a large number of agitators who are racist thugs have been instrumental in what we've seen this week, you and i, and i've got no doubt will condemn it. and i hope that those individuals are prosecuted. but what did you make of the tone of his speech and the lack of accommodation of any wider issues being raised by the prime minister? >> well, he is not going to look at those wider issues and they are undeniably there, there can be no doubt at all. and this is no excuse at all for what's gone on, no excuse at all. but there can be no doubt that immigration is causing a huge amount of concern, most people are concerned in a very responsible and orderly fashion, but it's there

only unearthed when one of its members, wayne couzens, was arrested for the rape and murder of sarah everard003 communications act was used to prosecute the two officers. although the legislation has come under fire, as in this case, there was no single victim who felt offended by the content. so with me now is professor of commercial law andrew tettenborn, who has been writing about this issue this week. andrew thanks for joining me. this is a difficult one, isn't it , because me. this is a difficult one, isn't it, because this was a horrific crime by wayne couzens. everyone will agree with that. the other officers within the group chat with him, put some probably very unpleasant comments and phrases in that group chat . comments and phrases in that group chat. so can you explain to us why you think that shouldn't be criminalised? >> yeah, certainly. i don't in any way support what they said it was . purile, sorry. it was it was. purile, sorry. it was puerile. it was testosterone fuelled. it's the sort of thing you'd expect to find on the on the school lavatories occupied by 16 year old boy