sarah fisher ames goes with abraham lincoln to gartner gallery. she gets to poses -- gets two poses. this great full frontal lincoln, i think that is what i call it it in the book. i am almost done, but now that you have given me another minute i will go on. [laughter] the reason it was not in circulation is that she took it. she got the print. she took it, she made her mediocre bust of lincoln. it's in the u.s. capitol outside the senate majority, excuse me minority whip's office. this photograph was not released until about 1909 for the lincoln centennial. no one who read about gettysburg that this photograph existed. i submit it's one of the greatest photographs of abraham lincoln. >> john chose an obscure figure. >> i disagree with harold and agree with matt. this was a fun project over mine. but like so many things conceived in wine, the next morning i wasn't feeling regretful at all. [laughter] i kept asking matt again and again, are you sure we can have fun with this? are you sure we can write from our hearts and not footnote every sentence

sarah fisher ames goes with abraham lincoln to gardiner's gallery and gets to poses. one almost from the back and this great full frontal lincoln that is what i call it in the book. [laughter] >> one minute. >> i am almost done but now that you give me another minute i will go on. [laughter] >> it is only fair. >> the reason that it is not in circulation is that she took it she got the print, she made her mediocre marble bust of lincoln in the u.s. capitol outside of the senate majority -- excuse me, minority whip office. dick durbin of illinois. in this photograph was not released until about 1909 for the lincoln centennial -- and this photograph was not released until about 1909 for the lincoln centennial. i submit it is one of the greatest photographs of abraham lincoln. >> moving on. joan chose and as your figure. -- an obscure figure. joan waugh: i disagree with harold and agree with matt, this was a fun project conceived in wine. like so many things conceived and wine the next morning i was not feeling regretful at all. [laughter] joan waugh: i kept asking matt