sarah hall ingram, just quickly. she is now head of the irs health care office, which in and of itself the irs health care office sounds weird. she oversaw the tax except agency. should she still be in that role? >> well, obviously that's a question that many republicans will be asking. it would seem to me that politically it's probably best for the administration to bend over backwards to make sort of appearances of sort of on their face appearances of inappropriateness go away. i'm kind of surprised that she stuck around as long as she had given the connection. >> david hawkins, thank you so much. we appreciate your insight as always this morning. >> thank you. >> thank you. eric. >>> the nsa's controversial programs. this morning there's new reaction on it in an exclusive fox news sunday interview, former vice president dick cheney tells chris wallace what he thinks. >> on behalf of the noncommission officers and soldiers from brandenberg, kentucky, we would like to send out this father's day salute. >> happy fath

but instead, the obama administration is rewarding them like sarah hall ingram. she is the one who direct the unit that targeted the obama political enemies. she is now in charge of the implementation of obamascare in the irs. like susan rice she has other obama bona fide. really you put this woman in charge of implementation of obamacare at the irs? she decides through her well earned prism of politics whether i get the mammogram or someone gets a prosthesis? and how about the other two bozos at the irs star trek conference who took gifts and food without declaring them? they are allowed to amend their w-2s because they got caught, right. the rest of us would be indicted for tax evasion. now, they get to work in healthcare enforcement in the irs. are you starting to worry yet? but don't be worried, we are protected from those terrorists and the information that we just learned about, the collection of phone data and internet data is just routine. routine? where? in 1984? and folks, we need to trust our government. the internet stuff they are collecting is from f

and then sarah hall ingram, and you said yes. who is she? >> sarah hall ingram runs the affordable care act operations within the iris, and i speak to her on an ongoing basis as part of my responsibility to engage with my leadership team on the ongoing operations of the irs. >> what was her role during this period of time? >> it is a good question, and i will do my best to explain it right now. ms. ingram was the commissioner of the tax exempt government entities organization leading into when these events occurred. starts with issues in and around early, let's say march 2010, is when this fact pattern began in the ig timeline. so i understand that ms. ingram served as the commissioner of the tax exempt government exempt organizations, which is a level above the exempt organizations, and uncharted in my report. and she served in that capacity until somewhere around the spring or summer of 2010. >> so there was an overlap -- >> there was an overlap. at that point in time, she moved over to begin her work in running the affordable care act. >>

his spokeswoman said, sarah hall ingram and a number of other workers in the tax exempt government entitiesffordable care act office. so is there a concern that those employees might or would selectively apply the tax provisions of obama care? watkins said, quote, it's just asking for information, not expressing a concern. well, if there's no concern, then why ask the question? also, it should be pointed out that lew told bloomberg's al hunt during an interview in may that ingram had moved from the tax exempt office to the aca office before the troubling actions began. look, i'm no fan of conspiracy theories but when it comes to the contention that the real aim of the irs scandal is to undermine the agency as a means to get at obama care, the isa letter shows finney was on to something. speaking of on to something, we are done. it's time for martin bashir. martin. >> >> thank you so much. good afternoon. it's thursday, june 20th, and the speaker has been beaten by his own caucus once again. ♪ >> the time for games is up. >> he can expect to see a substantial improvement in the border securi

both are senior members charged with implementing obamacare from the sarah hall ingram.is not said to be involved in this. >>> i know you have been following the story of asc capital steve cohen's hedge fund, it lost a lot of investor money bus of a long drawn out government investigation. today a letter was sen to the employees to re-assure them the firm will still operate and no major layoffs are planned. >>> last night the winner of the $590 million powerball jackpot came forward to claim her prize. she is gloria mckenzie near town in tampa, florida. she will get a lump sum. she says she spent the last two weeks since the drawing getting advice from financial advisers, which i think shows she is a smart lady. >> right off the top. now, mary, if you had it, what would you do with it? >> i think the first thing is you set up a charity or a foundation, do. that i think the rest of it would probably be some educational for some of the people in my family. other than that, who knows? i like art and real estate. if i had money, i'd buy those. >> god, now is the time. >> it'

bill: sarah hall ingram is in the middle of all this mess with the i.r.s.cincinnati, she was supposed to run all this. >> that is a big problems. the republicans know who this woman is. do you think they want to fund a new agency at the i.r.s. that is being headed up by the same person who was in charge of all the abuses that took place? i don't think that is going to happen. bill: they call that a sticky weubgt. steven moore, strang you, "wall street journal," we'll talk to you later in the week. martha: we heard their defense but by the end of today the nsa may reveal exactly how many terror plots they claim this controversial surveillance program prevented, but it is all in the details on this one, folks. bill: also, two illegal immigrants with criminal records now accused of killing two police officers. why opponents of the immigration law say that scenario is a very big problem. >> that was a death that should have been prevented, it did not have to happen. this is outrageous. people are dying because ice is not being allowed to enforce the law by this

sarah hall ingram, the former commissioner of the tax-exempt and government agent division which was responsible for overseeing the 501(c)4 applications. receiving a bonus of $103,000 plus which increased during the increased scrutiny of these conservative groups and in addition to that she was promoted nafta head of the irs involvement with obamacare. joseph granville, former deputy commissioner of tax-exempt, three bonuses, 83, almost $84,000. director of the exempt organizations division, given $42,000 in bonuses during that time, and all of these had to be approved by the president, isn't that right? >> my understanding is there is a small subclass of bonuses, presidential rank awards that are approved by the president, but they're relatively small in number, ibm couple hundred throughout the entire government the larger amount of bonuses in terms of quantity are typically approved by the agency had. >> the guidelines say that bonuses over $25,000 have to be approved by the president. so did the president approve these bonuses, these very critical people in this scandal that we a

. >> did you talk to sarah hall ingram the former deputy commissioner. >> yes. >> as you prepared the report -- for the purposes of preparing the report, did you speak to her? >> i'm not sure how to answer that question. i spoke her as part of my overall understanding of the situation on the ground with the irs. so, yes, i guess they are connected. >> did you speech with lois lerner the former director of exempt organizations? >> i did not. >> i would say your initial conclusion that the irs found no evidence of intentional wrongdoing by irs personnel, give the number of key players you did not talk, to it not necessarily an initial conclusion but incomplete that. we know from our league? the summer of 2011. lois lerner directed the cincinnati office to change the words tea party tribal advocacy groups. do you think this was an intentional attempt to -- cover up the targeting and. >> i don't know the answer to that question. more work needs to be done to evaluate the circumstances. >> i find it difficult to make the conclusion that no evidence of intent was -- >> i found there's no ev

sam manhole leadership team engaged discussions and he had sarah hall ingram? >> yes. >> for the purposes of preparing the report did you speak to her? >> i am not sure how to answer was part of my overall understanding so yes they connect. >> did you speak with low was lerner? >> i did not. >> i would say your initial conclusion the irs has note intentional of wrongdoing that considering the key players you did not speak to is in complete provide a know how you can reach that but we know in the summer of 2011 law was lerner directed at the cincinnati office to change the word tea party label to advocacy groups to think it was intentional to cover of targeting? >> i don't know the answer. war work needs to be done to evaluate the circumstances. >> i find it difficult to make the conclusion that no evidence of potential wrongdoing was done. >> there is no evidence in the record to suggest there was a cover-up. >> i control the time, a mr. werfel after she directed this change pomace cincinnati intentionally targeted the tea party groups. do you know, who is resp

the fact that the former irs commissioner was visiting the white house more than 150 times, sarah hall ingramnit, now will be in charge of the irs' compliance of obamacare, she was at the white house more than 150 times. that tells us there is definitely involvement, certainly within the white house in terms of what this irs is doing to americans. >> brian: we have enough information, as far as i'm concerned. >> not even close. >> not even close. this is just the tip of the iceberg. we've lot of information to uncover. >> brian: we always love having you in. you're all over this. you left the business world to help out in washington and every time i see you, you seem more aghast at what you're finding. >> it's amazing. the government is out of control and it's up to congress to get the answers for the american people, the truth. >> brian: senator ron johnson, thanks so much. up ahead, avenues man of science who didn't buy into the whole spirituality thing until he actually died and went to heaven and came back. the world has embraced his book called "proof of heaven." he's here live. first on

. >> did sarah hall ingram attend? >> i do not have the information. i do not believe so. -- o any other >> there is no evidence anywhere in the the government was at the exhibit hall. >> you guys, your poor indicates -- did youoney spent look at any other conferences in detail other than the anaheim conference? >> no. >> there are two under 24 we do not know much about. >> -- >> 14 of those were solely for the tax exempt division. the division a targeted americans for three years for political believes. you not look at those at all? >> no. those were $2 million and told him -- in total. >> washington times indicates it was one of the most expensive. is that accurate? >> i do not know. >> do you know of the 14 conferences of the tax exempt division was a part of read do you know if doug shulman attend any of those? >> i do not. >> to steve miller? >> no information. >> lois lerman? >> no information. >> is it fair to say that the ohs would run in -- is it fair to say that they would be there at at least one of those conferences? >> it is likely some or

we know, for a fact, sarah ingram hall, receivedded bonuses in excess of $35,000 in 2010.o when we do that, those kinds of excessive bonuses that represent 15-20% of the money she's gotten of her salary is just inexcusable. i have a hard time explaning that back home why people up here would be getting those bonuses. >> ms. hall promoted up and bonussed to another job? that's what happened? >> well, yeah. she got bonuses and she's not the only one, and so we are actually sending a letter today with an inquiry of all the bonuses paid out because the american people say enough is enough. they want to be treated the same on main street as we get treated here in washington, d.c.. i'm here to uphold that. >> all right, congressman mark meadows, isn't north carolina all republican all the time, every single legislative office held by republican, am i right? >> i wish it were that way, but i tell you it's not. >> thought it was. congressman, thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you, thank you. >> eric schmidt organized president obama's team, re-election team that

. >> did sarah hall ingram attend? >> i do not have the information. i do not believe so. >> to any other -- any other individuals from the tax-exempt division? >> there is no evidence anywhere in the the government was at the exhibit hall. >> you guys, your poor indicates there was money spent was $50ou -- there million spent in the three years. place thatces took individuals from the irs intended. did you look at any other conferences in detail other than the anaheim conference? >> no. >> there are two under 24 we do -- 224 we do not know much about. >> -- >> 14 of those were solely for the tax exempt division. the division a targeted americans for three years for political believes. you not look at those at all? >> no. those were $2 million and told him -- in total. >> washington times indicates it was one of the most expensive. is that accurate? >> i do not know. >> do you know of the 14 conferences of the tax exempt division was a part of read do you know if doug shulman attend ed any of those? >> i do not. >> to steve miller? >> no information. >